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I stood one night on the banks of the Rio Grande in Texas. I was concealed by some underbrush and accompanied by the United States Border Patrol. It didn’t take long to see a person swimming across illegally — a snapshot of America’s immigration challenges.

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The latest crisis at the border is a surge of children, unaccompanied minors as they are called in legal terms. Tens of thousands have been caught attempting to enter our country illegally. Some have been placed under surveillance in warehouses. Others have been released. Very few have thus far been returned home.

The border children come from Central American countries with stagnant economies and ungoverned space. Desperate poverty in the region, along with signals from the Administration about decreasing deportations, has created conditions that cause families to risk sending their children north. Young boys and girls are placed on trains or given to smugglers known as “coyotes.” Many then suffer terrible abuse, falling victim to human trafficking and sexual exploitation.

Most Nebraskans are rightfully outraged by this dramatic failure of our immigration policy. The question of how to properly care for and deal with the children is under intense debate.

From my perspective, first the President should immediately call up the National Guard to assist the Border Patrol to bring the situation under control. Second, the message needs to be clearly and continuously sent that persons arriving illegally will be quickly returned. Third, we must demand that the governments of El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala set up the proper conditions for the repatriation of children and adults, ensuring their safety and humane treatment.

Once the framework is set and order is restored, we can address the exceptional needs of those who have a just reason for asylum.

The First Lady of Honduras has said we want our children back. I agree with her. Now we must fix this latest immigration problem so that children are protected and families are reunited. On one of the committees I have served, we have already begun working on the proper procedures for repatriation and stopping the flow.

America has always had a vibrant immigration system, welcoming people who are facing political persecution or dire hardship, seeking a new life with their families. But chaos and disorder at our border harms our country’s ability to be generous and is not fair to those who follow the law.


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Diogenes aka Typical Conservative.
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Posted by SRW    - 8/2/2014 7:45:15 PM
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We don’t need reform; we need to enforce the laws we already have. Typical hate-filled progressive blather, following the party line. Every so-called liberal I’ve ever talked to about the poor is the same. Full of self-righteous condemnation of those who don’t agree but never actually giving of their own time or resources to help the needy. This thread is getting too long so as far as I’m concerned you can have the last word. I imagine you’ll use it to not answer questions and troll.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 8/2/2014 7:22:20 PM
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So that's a no to passing the immigration reform bill? Typical.

See I am not opposed to some of your ideas, most liberals aren't, though there probably some differences on the implementation. That's call compromising, or working together to solve problems, something you and your fellow conservatives are against. That is the heart of your problem, conservatives only oppose, they only object, they never think that another way might work. You'll even oppose your own ideas if your political opposition decides to support them. Your ideology fixed, unmoving, and incapable of evolving. History is replete with examples of it, but when faced with the reality of it you deflect and demonize your opponents.

One other thing, we have and need social programs, because charity has always failed to meet the demand, because those with the most tend to give the least. There are centuries of history to prove that.

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Posted by SRW    - 8/2/2014 5:29:45 PM
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I’m not opposed to government involvement in helping those who genuinely need assistance. How about if we tie welfare and unemployment in with work programs so that those who are able bodied and get assistance can contribute to their own support? How about if we offer job training so that they can be weaned off their dependence on assistance from anyone? How about if we quit subsidizing almost everything the government is doing with business and industry and get rid of corporate welfare altogether? How about if we cut back the federal government to constitutional limits and get it out of people’s lives as much as possible? The American people are generous and if they weren’t overburdened by bureaucracy and taxes would be even more generous. Much of the poverty in other lands is related to cultural and political issues, as well as things like drought, poor agricultural practices and lack of needed technology. Until there is change in those areas there won’t be any long-term solution. You assume that I don’t care about impoverished and abused illegal aliens, or refugees, but I do. I care about their physical and spiritual needs and would love to see their lot in life improved. I would love to see the government get out of the way and allow charitable organizations to help these children. Part of that would be keeping them quarantined until we know what diseases they have and get them the medical care they need. Part of it would be sorting out gang members and other criminals and getting them deported. Another part would be helping them apply for asylum if they need it. I take it from your non-answer that you don’t do anything personally to help anyone. How about if people like you, who rail at those who are already helping people in need, actually put their money where their mouth is and give of their own resources?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 8/2/2014 2:12:31 PM
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@Diogenes: Always looking for a way to devalue people, prime characteristic of a conservative, they deserve our help because they are humans, people just like us.

And when did conservatives start caring about the poor and homeless here in the U.S.? Did hell freeze over.

Tell ya what, why not take all (and I mean all) the subsidies we give the energy industry and use that money help those kids. Then get the House to pass the immigration bill (that the Senate has already passed, and the President said he would sign it), that would help prevent the problem from happening again. No?

It's not a perfect solution, but it's a start and beats doing nothing.

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Posted by SRW    - 8/2/2014 12:37:58 PM
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Are these children somehow more deserving of our help than America's needy and homeless? More to the point, what are you doing to help them?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 8/2/2014 2:57:34 AM
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@Diogenes: Wow, you really live in a bubble don't you.

Tell you what, go down to El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala, and discovery what life is like there for those kids, and how 'easy' it is to apply for asylum in the U.S.. Of course in your limited mind, it's easy peasy, just paper work and time....but that is not the reality there. Again, please educate your...you're making yourself look beyond ignorant, and bereft of any compassion.

So until you know what your talking about, why are you even engaging in the conversation.

And saying refugees are the same as illegal immigrants is like saying apples and oranges are the same thing because their both fruits, though I can see you (and conservatives in general) arguing they are the same.

And no, I don't have to make you and your fellow conservatives look immoral and insensitive to the refugees plight, you all do a wonderful job all by yourselves. I just enjoy rubbing it in your face.

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Posted by SRW    - 8/1/2014 10:48:12 PM
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'Seems Chucky is still afraid of the "brown people". Sad story.' Yes, you framed the issue as the mean old whites and the poor disadvantaged colored people. If you'll go back and read all your posts you'll see that you've been well answered and had thoughtful questions asked of you. You refuse to answer for the very reasons you've stated. You're taking the usual party line on illegals. Doesn't matter if you call them refugees. There is a legal way to apply for asylum and it's not being taken. Many of these kids are simply being dumped off at bus stations to fend for themselves. Admitted MS13 gang members have been a part of the latest incursion. They haven't been properly quarantined and it's well known that they are bringing a host of serious diseases into our country. That includes out state. The governor doesn't even know where these refugees are. The feds haven't been transparent about any of this latest cycle. We're now being told that if we don't let all of them in we've got no compassion. You're shining proof of that. Again, if you're so concerned you better be ready to take some of them in. Think about why you're unwilling to answer the questions I've posed. Stop calling names and look at why we're concerned.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 8/1/2014 3:59:40 PM
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@Diogenes: Read my first post in this thread.

Yes, I have trolled you and Chucky, freely admitted. However, I have also tried to explain where your argument has failed.

Frankly, it doesn't matter whether you or Chucky ever see your errors on this subject. That still requires you to think outside of your self induced mental trappings of ideology. Of course being told what to think rather than thinking for yourself probably saves energy, maybe that's why your called conservatives.

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Posted by SRW    - 8/1/2014 11:37:33 AM
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Your incredulity rings hollow SRW. It seems that when you want to dodge answers or call names, we are supposed to believe that you are trolling us. When you want to be taken seriously you call on the authority of wikipedia and try to divert attention away from your lack of answers by an assumed moral superiority. There’s a lot of overlap most of the time so maybe it isn’t so clear cut. Here's a question with a really easy answer. Should we divert money from homeless Americans and military veterans to take care of "refugees" who are here illegally? Just a yes or no will be sufficient. This is a test.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 8/1/2014 9:20:28 AM
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SRW, self admitted troll. What more needs to be said?
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 8/1/2014 8:33:43 AM
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@Diogenes: Wow, just wow.

An illegal immigrant is someone who enters the country and AVOIDS capture by border guards.

These children ACTIVELY seek out border guards and turn themselves in, and is why they are being placed in camps, or fostered. They are refugees NOT illegal immigrants.

The lack of intelligence by wingnuts never ceases to amaze me.

Here is some homework, please educate yourself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee

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Posted by SRW    - 8/1/2014 12:15:19 AM
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Here's a few more questions. Are you saying that the children dropped off here in Nebraska are going through this process? http://www.rapidimmigration.com/1_eng_kit_asylum.html How many of them are you willing to personally take in? Are the MS13 gang members seeking asylum also and should we just allow them in? How about the diseased? Or looking at the bigger picture, how about the millions already here illegally, do we continue to provide for them rather than our veterans and the native born poor?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 11:43:51 PM
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Obfuscation again. "Tens of thousands have been caught attempting to enter our country illegally. Some have been placed under surveillance in warehouses. Others have been released. Very few have thus far been returned home."
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 11:23:05 PM
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@Diogenes: Again, you are equating refugees with illegal immigrants. The two are not the same, which makes your questions pointless.
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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 11:01:37 PM
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Just to refresh your memory, you called me immoral and wrong. Based on that I asked the following. "In your opinion, how many people should we allow to illegally jump the line and get into the country without going through all the legalities before it becomes immoral? Does it matter what country they're from or do we give preferential treatment to those who come across the border with Mexico? How do we morally justify giving millions to people who are here illegally when we don't seem to have enough to care for our veterans who served honorably?" How are those loaded? The real problem is that the answers are obvious so you resort to all sorts of obfuscating and ad hominem attacks to distract from the fact that you won't give those answers.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 10:29:57 PM
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So are you being serious now or trolling? Or is that a loaded question?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 10:08:01 PM
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@Diogenes: Nah. They're loaded questions, and in my opinion, not relevant to the problem.

And I'll repeat the problem.

The children arriving at our southern border are refugees, not illegal immigrants.

Until you, and your buddy Chucky, understand the differences and why it matters, you won't understand why your questions don't apply to the issue.

But I don't expect you to understand either, your thinking can't expand that far.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 9:47:58 PM
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We both know the answers to the questions and why you won't give them. It doesn't bother me but it speaks volumes about your position.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 9:14:39 PM
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@Diogenes: I am not making any excuses, I am choosing not too. Why does that bother you?
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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 8:53:11 PM
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SRW, what are you afraid of that you have to make lame excuses for not answering simple questions. Nobody believes your lame trolling argument. You painted yourself in a corner and started name calling when you couldn't get out. I've sparred with you on too many subjects to think otherwise. At least be honest.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 8:44:55 PM
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Chucky, nope I was disguised as the potted plant in the corner...I'm spying on you.

::snicker::

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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 8:29:49 PM
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SRW, were you working at the front desk and saw me? What a coincidence!
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/31/2014 8:23:05 PM
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Still can't think for yourself Diogenes? At least give proper credit...

http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44456

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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 8:22:54 PM
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Chucky wrote: "SRW, Im not a psychologist..."

So did you enjoy your stay at the Holiday Inn last night?

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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 8:08:05 PM
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Quote from SRW, "Until then, I will enjoy mocking and trolling you both" end quote. Hypocrite? Hmmm, I would say so.
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/31/2014 7:07:40 PM
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Question: What Is 'Trolling'? Answer: Internet 'trolling' is the anti-social act of causing of interpersonal conflict and shock-value controversy online. Named for the wicked troll creatures of children's tales, trolling is purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, misogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls themselves are emotionally-immature users who thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments, like blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. If the shoe fits....
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 7:01:07 PM
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SRW, Im not a psychologist, or a shrink, but I think I figured out the other disorder that afflicts you, (besides being bipolar), I suspect you have paranoid personality disorder. The way you keep accusing others of what you do, its gotta be something like that. I sure hope you get some help for those two major issues. Later , C.
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/31/2014 6:53:28 PM
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Both of you should lookup the terms gullibility and trolling.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 6:31:38 PM
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SRW, I'm amazed that you continue to bury yourself. Look back at your posts. You make statements and accusations and when confronted with questions that have obvious answers, what is your response? Calling people names but not answering the questions. Your main defense seems to be the equivalent of "Oh huh!" "Oh yeah?!" and "You're a poopie pants!" The kind of clever retorts guaranteed to enhance your credibility.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 6:18:18 PM
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Don't thank me SRW, it didn't take a lot of effort to show what a hypocrite you are. Saying others are racist, and yet you are the person using the words brown people. Your attempt at demonizing others while it just might be you with a problem toward those who are different than yourself. Hmm, might want to talk to someone with capital letters behind their last name about that. Just a suggestion! ;)
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/31/2014 5:51:15 PM
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LOL!

Gee, thanks Chucky for such in depth analysis... ::snicker::.

You, like Diogenes, (and the rest the tea party), are ideological puppets, but that's ok, not everyone has the capability to think for themselves.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 5:15:47 PM
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Oh, and SRW, you are making things up again. I never said anything about Brietbart and fringe stuff. I just mentioned not seeing anything about a fridge on there.
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/31/2014 5:07:19 PM
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Ahhh, the world according to SRW. Watch for cleaver sayings such as, Evolve or Die! And listen for people refured to being "brown people"! But it is always someone else that is incorrect, or absolutely wrong in SRW's eyes. And if you make SRW mad, SRW will quote a bible passage and call you names! :)
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/31/2014 5:00:57 PM
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Diogenes aka The Ideological Dependent.

Since you, and your pal Chucky, routinely spew nothing but ideological right wing propaganda, it's is easy to ignore your questions. When you can learn to think for yourself, maybe then answering, or valuing your opinion, would be worthy of my time.

Until then, I will enjoy mocking and trolling you both...

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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 4:55:18 PM
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SRW aka The Dodger.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/31/2014 4:12:11 PM
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@Chucky: That fact that the you consider Brietbart not a fringe wingnut propaganda machine, and is actual news is hilarious. I suppose you still think the earth is flat, and the moon is made of cheese too.

And it's nice that your as much a "grammar nazi" as you are an ideological wingnut sheep. Bereft of the capacity to think for yourself, and just parrot what you are told is your opinion.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/31/2014 2:24:16 PM
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A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds two-thirds of Americans now say illegal immigration is a serious problem for the country, up 14 points since May and on par with concern about the issue in May 2010, when Arizona's passage of a strict anti-immigration measure brought the issue to national prominence. Nearly two-thirds, 62 percent, say immigration is an important issue for them personally, a figure that's up 10 points since March. President Barack Obama's approval rating for his handling of immigration dropped in the poll, with just 31 percent approving of his performance on the issue, down from 38 percent in May. More than 57,000 unaccompanied immigrant children have illegally entered the country since October. Most of the children hail from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, where gang violence is pervasive. Many are seeking to reunite with a parent already living in the United States.
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/30/2014 11:36:54 AM
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Oh I saw a transcript of what Will said SRW. Unfortunately for people like you, the majority of Americans do not agree with you. Quote from SRW: And Huffpost has wide varity political opinions, it's not FoxNews that leans right or MSNBC the leans left, and it not like the fridge stuff you probably read at Worldnet Daily and Brietbart. But to each their own. To think that huffpo is not left wing is worthy of a big Ha! Also, what is "fridge" stuff? I do peruse Breitbart, and have yet to see "fridge" stuff.
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/30/2014 8:32:21 AM
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Again, attaboy.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/29/2014 6:30:03 PM
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Ha! Not dodging, if you knew what was actually going on at the border, rather than the rightwing propaganda you're reading (listening too), then maybe you would understand how irrelevant your question is. But that would actually require you think beyond what your ideology allows, so not likely going to happen.
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Posted by SRW    - 7/29/2014 6:00:19 PM
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Attaboy, keep dodging.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/29/2014 5:12:06 PM
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@Diogenes: You still can't broaden your thinking. There is a distinction between refugees and illegal immigrants. Not that you can see the difference, and wouldn't admit it even if you did, because it doesn't fit your ideology.
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Posted by SRW    - 7/29/2014 4:48:40 PM
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Still can't tell us why you believe illegal entry and stealing are immoral? Of course it's obvious to anybody reading this why you really keep avoiding the answers.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/29/2014 4:21:46 PM
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You get what you give Diogenes, you get what you give.

@Chucky: That bit on George Will I posted was from FoxNews (cough). Of course he is a neo-con, much like Nixon, Reagan, and G.H.W. Bush are, that probably makes him too liberal for you though.

And Huffpost has wide varity political opinions, it's not FoxNews that leans right or MSNBC the leans left, and it not like the fridge stuff you probably read at Worldnet Daily and Brietbart. But to each their own.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/29/2014 2:11:24 PM
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Awww SRW, maybe you should just stick to the huffpo site.
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/29/2014 7:13:49 AM
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How about those questions SRW?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/29/2014 3:37:04 AM
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At least one neo-con gets it...

George Will: We ought to say to these children, ‘Welcome to America, you’re going to go to school, and get a job, and become Americans. We have 3,141 counties in this country. That would be 20 per county. The idea that we can’t assimilate these 8-year-old criminals with their teddy bears is preposterous.

Chris Wallace: You got to know, I mean I can just sort of feel them clicking off, that we’re going to get tons of email saying, ‘This guy doesn’t understand the border. Why should we be dealing with Central America’s problem? We can’t import the problem, they’ve got to deal with it there, and our border has to mean something.

George Will: We can handle this problem is what I’m saying. We’ve handled what Emma Lazarus called the ‘wretched refuse of your teeming shore’ a long time ago, and a lot more people than this.

Who would've thought that George Will had such common sense. Moreover, it says a lot about some people on here though.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/28/2014 10:47:00 PM
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You got me laughing on that one Diogenes!
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/25/2014 9:43:23 PM
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Careful Chuck, he's played the "poopie pants" card!
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/25/2014 8:53:56 PM
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Oh, thats rich SRW.Coming from the person mentoring AJSDAD. Have you developed any new excuses for him yet? Better get cracking, he could spring into action anytime.
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/25/2014 8:50:53 PM
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SRW, have you had enough time to come up with answers to my questions?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/25/2014 6:49:26 PM
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LOL! You guys never cease being entertaining. Point one of ya, the rest come whining and crying.

And Chucky, don't forget to change Diogenes' diaper while you're here.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/25/2014 6:36:19 PM
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Don't sweat it Diogenes, SRW just resorts to the typical liberal defense posture. Name calling and race cards. Doesn't bother me in the least. SRW just gets mad and lashes out! :)
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/25/2014 2:33:06 PM
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I looked over his previous posts and can't see anywhere that Chuck said anything about brown people. He did mention specific instances of criminal actions. What is it with you and people's race SRW? Is it that you feel superior to colored people and believe that you have to champion them?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/25/2014 12:21:44 PM
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It's a symptom of the times... thinking people who do their homework become hostile.... just like Congress.
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Posted by original    - 7/25/2014 12:08:20 PM
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Its down right entertaining, every time you try to take on Diogenes, you end up getting mad. Then, here come the names. :)
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/25/2014 11:04:59 AM
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Hey Chucky Cheese, decided to get out from under your bed (or rock) huh. Get over being afraid of them "brown people" yet?
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Posted by SRW    - 7/25/2014 10:44:52 AM
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Typical SRW conversation, goes from quoting the bible to calling you names.
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Posted by Chuck Matson    - 7/25/2014 5:00:07 AM
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Don't let it bother you, I certainly don't. Your inability to answer self-evident questions and your intolerance are actually pretty amusing.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/25/2014 1:27:44 AM
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@Diogenes: Don't take it personally, I think most conservatives like you are disgusting....just like cockroaches.

The best part, you are a dying breed...soon to be politically extinct.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/24/2014 8:56:28 PM
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SRW, you didn't let me down. When I made my last post I knew you would do two things. 1) Attack me personally rather than deal with the facts. 2) Focus on my native American statement. In point of fact I am a native American. It's not an Elizabeth Warren claim but factual. America is my native land though I'm not what used to be called American Indian. Your faux outrage would be better reserved for people here illegally.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/24/2014 1:45:28 PM
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@Diogenes: still riding the short bus huh.

And no, you are not a Native American. That even you even try to co-op that is disgusting.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/24/2014 11:19:20 AM
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Whence comes your standard for morality? Evolution, the shifting values of culture, Sharia law, karma or simply your own interpretation of right and wrong? Despite what you may think, I want people to be able to come to America and have a shot at a better life. This is what many of our ancestors have done in the past, to the betterment of us all, as they've assimilated into the American culture. That's why we have a system in place for over a million of them to do so every year. It's all done according to our laws. There are varying estimates of how many come into our country illegally, anywhere from 1 million to 4 million depending on your source and their criteria. In your opinion, how many people should we allow to illegally jump the line and get into the country without going through all the legalities before it becomes immoral? Does it matter what country they're from or do we give preferential treatment to those who come across the border with Mexico. How do we morally justify giving millions to people who are here illegally when we don't seem to have enough to care for our veterans who served honorably? By the way I was born in this country so I am a native American.
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/24/2014 2:04:23 AM
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@Diogenes: when did it become your right to deny others the same opportunities you (and yours) were afforded?

Of course I am sure you have some justification, doesn't make you or your ideology right. If anything, it shows how immoral and wrong you are.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/23/2014 6:41:25 PM
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So when are you going back where you came from?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/23/2014 2:36:45 PM
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@Diogenes: If the topic wasn't as important as it is, your's and many other posts would be amusing.

There isn't a comment you and your fellow conservatives have made that wasn't already said, (by somebody else), about every other migrant ethic group that has come to this country.

The conservative rhetoric motto: wash-rinse-repeat, whether it's true or false. History be damned.

And honestly, if you are not 100% Native American, you really do not have a place (or a right in my opinion) to say much about who should and shouldn't be allowed here.

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Posted by SRW    - 7/23/2014 1:49:07 PM
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So how many get to come in? From what countries? Do they have to do it legally? Where do you draw the line?
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Posted by Diogenes    - 7/23/2014 3:20:28 AM
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@Diogenes: A nation of immigrants, founded by immigrants, also has the most disdain for immigrants. Our history is replete with examples of our lack of compassion for others.
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Posted by SRW    - 7/23/2014 12:51:02 AM
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