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And now they get more publicity here because the bulletin chose to print their garbage. |
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Posted by SERIOUSLY?! - 10/23/2012 9:56:30 PM
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Yoda, you have some interesting points but I do not believe that Planned Parenthood is ultimately favoring ProLife or that the ultimate goal of "pro lifers" is to extend Roe v Wade. Historically, however, groups like the Nazis in 1920's and early 1930's Germany (and other nearby European nations) presented themselves as being "victims" of oppression and hatred for what they described as promoting "Patriotic" German values. OI course, many of them already had the idea of "oppressing' the Jews and other people they deemed "undesirable" at that point but they didn't talk about that until they actually got into power. Stalin and his group were just as bad as Hitler and probably employed similar tactics on their way to control. During World War II the Germans were bombing Red Cross hospital trains which were supposed to be "neutral" and off limits claiming that the Allies were using them to transport healthy troops to the front. Of course, the Germans were doing that very thing themselves so they figured the allies would do it, too. It is an old saw to blame those you oppose for doing many of the negative things you, yourself, do or are planning to do. I am betting that the WNTA knew full well what this lady was going to say before she went in there and they also knew it was against the rules but since it served their purpose, hey, we will just say "sorry" after the fact and claim we didn't know. Ever try to present an opinion opposite of what Mike and others of the WNTA ilk think - they love to call names almost immediately saying how "stupid" and "limited" you are for arguing with them. That's OK - you just consider the source and move on. The publisher/editor at the Telegraph and a former editor are about the only ones who really give them any kind of credibility anyway. |
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Posted by I use several - 10/14/2012 1:35:25 PM
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WHAT SRW SAID!!!! You can lead a conservative to facts but you cant make them think!! they are all mad because Obama is gonna get another 4 years. So like you said before. Anyone who dares challenge their line of thinking is " nuts " and " out of line " Its would be laughable if not so important. It is finally almost over. I for one can't wait!! :-) |
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Posted by negirl2 - 10/12/2012 6:34:47 PM
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The only people that are "out of line" here are the WNTA, and yourself for defending them.
The WNTA's conduct is reprehensible, and should be condemned as such. Those who would defend such disgusting conduct should reevaluate their ethics. |
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Posted by SRW - 10/12/2012 4:48:05 PM
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I wasn't at this thing and I have no relationship with the WNTA but I don't see in this story that the WNTA knew that this woman was going to make whatever statements she made. It appears that Heinzle was sorry it happened and Lawrence accepted that. You and some of these other nuts are way out of line. |
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Posted by bigsky - 10/12/2012 2:45:24 PM
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@bigsky: Questioning the motives, sensibility, and positions of a political group who compares politicians and others to Nazis and Hitler, and in this case the WNTA, is not "koolaid drinking" or "hating" as you put it, it is a common sense reaction. Their "presentation" was derogatory at best, and intellectually insulting.
If the WNTA wishes to engage and debate their political beliefs, and effectively convince people their solution is right, then they need to present sound evidence and facts. Comparing President Obama to Hitler, and the Democratic Party as Nazis, is not productive, it is hyperbolic and childish, and undermines the WNTA efforts.
I for one, have no interest in listening to the WNTA until they publicly apologize for the abuse of the library, for insulting the President, and everyone's intelligence. |
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Posted by SRW - 10/12/2012 2:23:48 PM
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Well Yoda, you're finally making some sense, however you're wasting your breath, or fingers in this case, if you are trying to reason with the likes of I use several or negirl2. They are tried and true kool aid drinkers. |
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Posted by bigsky - 10/12/2012 2:07:02 PM
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I use...I agree is principal with what you have said, though as far as extremist groups with any traction, I believe they are few and far between in the U.S. On both sides of the asile. The whole Hitler/Nazi comparison has always bothered me. The whole rise of Nazi Germany and Stalinized Russia was the result of a perfect storm left by the ending of WWI, and the depression of the global economy. Stalin was actually worse than Hitler. I'm not sure if I buy completely into the rest of your premise though. The suggestion is that the current pro-choice crowd will actually eliminate it, at least following the logic at its fundamental level, and the pro-life crowd will strengthen Roe, and it prodgeny. I thinlk there should be some level of admiration for the WTNA, and its members, they are exercising one of the most fundamental rights that that a citizen has. Agree with them or not, the fact that they are involved is saying a lot more than a lot of people posting on this thread. The other remarkable thing is the avoidance of recognizing that these tactics (both labeling something or someone as Nazi) emminate from both sides. Tea Party folks are racist teabaggers to people of other beliefs...Bush is a Nazi...but how dare you call Obama one. It's really a sign of people not bothering to actually educate themslves, and letting the 'leaders' of whatever party lead them right along. The best way to make citizens subjects is to control their thoughts, and demonize those on the other side...when you cann accomplish this, you have no need to worry that those on your side will look in your closet...Heck, I asked negirl2 if she was equally outraged when the same label was applied to Bush, labeling of the Tea Party as Racist and Teabaggers...her silence speaks volumes...Personally, it offends me that anyone would compare Obama to Hitler. I disagree with his policies, and think he has been a terrible leader, but that is an entirely different matter. |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/12/2012 8:09:59 AM
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@SRW....Good post. |
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Posted by gizzmo - 10/12/2012 6:56:55 AM
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A lesson from history if you want to take about"Nazi" tactics. One of the things extremest groups do is to accuse others of what they, themselves, plan to do when they get power. They portray themselves as harmless "victims' that are only trying to stand up for what is right. That is what the Nazis did in the 20's and 30's before they revealed their true agenda. The far right groups who portray President Obama as "Hitler" and anti American, etc are dong the same thing - they themselves have no tolerance for any ideas other than their own. Those who try to defend what this lady did at the library and those like bigsky who say the WNTA is just a harmless little group of tax reformers are playing the "smoke and mirrors" game of being victims of hate when they, themselves, show great disrespect and hate towards anyone who doesn't buy into their line of thought. |
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Posted by I use several - 10/12/2012 6:34:41 AM
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:-) @ parapraxis. and well said Friendly One. |
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Posted by negirl2 - 10/11/2012 9:12:13 PM
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Diogenes wrote "Yep, that'd be almost as bad as someone comparing Bush to Hitler".
The far-left (Truthers) did this at the beginning of the Iraq war to President Bush. It was disgusting and unacceptable then, and it is disgusting and unacceptable now to compare President Obama to Hitler, or anyone else in our government to the Nazis.
People who have to resort to this type of comparative Nazis rhetoric have already lost the argument, and have nothing of value worth listening too. |
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Posted by SRW - 10/11/2012 7:44:10 PM
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OMG. How sneaky. I would have loudly protested also if I had been there. There is absolutely no comparison between our President and the worst dictator in history! Fear mongers trying to con us. How sick. Obama wants the rich to pay their fair share of taxes, including Romney who thinks that 47% of Americans live off the government. He's changing his stance on everything to get your votes. He says what you want to hear and you can be sure IF he is elected he will go back on every word. In the debate he reminded me of the cat in Alice in Wonderland, with that smirky grin on his face all night long. What a scary man! As someone said, we barely survived 8 years of Bush, and in 4 years Obama is doing best to get the country on track, despite the dead beat House. And I for one, do not want to go back to Bush politics. |
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Posted by Friendly One - 10/11/2012 4:30:22 PM
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/high5 negirl2! lol |
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Posted by parapraxis - 10/11/2012 3:22:44 PM
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Right...cuz there solution is less taxes, but they never put forth the services they wish to give up in exchange. I'm all for lower taxes and expect lower services in return, I just want to know what servicers are going to go first. What does the WNTA propose to eliminate/lower in the service area in order to attain lower taxes? |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/11/2012 1:39:58 PM
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yoda, you're down on the WNTA and state they are delusional in their solutions while you admit you know nothing about their solutions. The "wise up" comment was meant for you and others who hate with no knowledge of the group, not whether a presenter of theirs followed the library rules or not. Again, wise up or shut up. |
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Posted by bigsky - 10/11/2012 1:36:49 PM
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Golly gee...and by today's standards, if you don't like the current president, it's because you are racist. If you actually want people to follow the law, you are racist. If you actually want people to prove who they are to exercise the single most important right in this country, you are racist. If you dare be opposed to tax payer funded birth control or abortions, you are sexist. If you think a small percent of the population paying a majority of the taxes is unfair, you are some sort of minroty poor hating person. If you think rules should apply equally to all, you also hate someone. If you recognize that drilling for oil in the US is a good thing, you hate the environment. Shall I go on? Funny thing is...this is the present, not the past... |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/11/2012 1:25:50 PM
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Steve: PLEASE!!! You need to dust your history books off my friend! Blacks in this country used to be arrested for simply being black. And this was waaaaay after the end of slavery - (which also is in our past). Native Americans were all but eliminated from this country simply for being Native Americans. There was a time - perhaps still is - when anyone living in the Bible Belt that isn't in line with the Bible Belt is labeled as Un-American, Communist, Heathen and so on. Don't believe it? Watch some of the Sunday morning sermons on your TV. If you happen to be a Mexican-American living in Arizona get your papers ready to prove that you are an American!! The point I am trying to make is that there always has been and - most likely - always will be unjustice of some sort in this country. It sure as he** doesn't mean we will soon be "goose-stepping" in the streets with our swastikas neatly wrapped around our biceps!! |
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Posted by plan9_frm_outerspace - 10/11/2012 1:16:35 PM
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"Wise up haters"? While the WNTA may be fed up with taxes and how they are spent, they are also largely delusional about the solutions...haven't really heard much in that respect from them actually. But the fact is, they presented a program that violated rules, rules they were aware of, and also a violation they probably knew was coming. For a group to demand that others follow the rules to a 'T', the same should be expected of them. |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/11/2012 1:02:15 PM
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And Mike...I keep hearing this story about big bad conservatives wanting to take birth control away...but I haven't seen any attempt to do so. Eliminate tax payer funding for it, perhaps, but that's a long stretch from taking it away... |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/11/2012 12:59:17 PM
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The WNTA is simply a group of folks fed up with excessive taxation and the waste of the tax money presently levied. Only a fool would argue for more taxes and the unwise use of our tax money. Wise up haters! As far as this story goes, yeah the woman should have kept personal politics out of her presentation. |
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Posted by bigsky - 10/11/2012 12:56:02 PM
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That's funny Mike...cuz while I may personally detest 1 or mor of those things, I ain't looking to take anything away or prevent anything. By the contrary, I don't have any problem with women serving in the militasry in any position...if, they are qualified both physically and mentally for the position. Same applies to men. I am against the reduction of testing requirements that allow people to more easily pass. In simpole words...with equal rights, also comes equal responsibilities and requirements. So...gettign back to how conservatives view things...you really don't know do you? |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/11/2012 12:50:24 PM
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Yoda-taking away a womans right to choose, taking away contraceptives, opposing the Lilly Ledbetter Act, not allowing women to serve in the infantry or special forces..... |
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Posted by Mike - 10/11/2012 12:28:12 PM
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negirl2...were you equally outraged when Bush was compared to Hitler? How about when Tea Partiers were labeled racist? Did you call them 'teabaggers'? They're simple questions. If you answer the first 2 'no', and the third 'yes'...then a hypocrite you are... |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/11/2012 12:13:34 PM
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Mike...I'm a conservative. Would be interested to hear what my views on women's rights are... |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/11/2012 12:11:22 PM
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National Defense Authorization Act...look it up. |
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Posted by Walt - 10/11/2012 11:28:08 AM
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plan9_frm_outerspace .......If you don't think we are headed down the road of fascism, Then how come we already have people being arrested for simply reading the bible in public in California, Muslims stoning Christians in Dearborn Michigan without any trouble from the law, And churches around the nation being informed that they can't preach on any political issue without loosing their tax exempt status? |
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Posted by Steve - 10/11/2012 9:56:25 AM
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Its scary how conservatives views on womens rights are so closely aligned with the Handmaids Tale. |
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Posted by Mike - 10/11/2012 9:54:38 AM
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npborngirl - you need to get off from the GOP Kool-Aid... it's making you paranoid! Anyone that believes that the U.S.A. is heading down the road of fascism - or Nazi Germany - is living in a fantasy....a rather dark fantasy!! Don't let your hatred of the current President cloud over your abilities to think reasonably!
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Posted by plan9_frm_outerspace - 10/11/2012 9:48:03 AM
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comparing Obama to Hitler is dumb. The fear mongering is NOT gonna work. Get over it Obama haters. We survived 8 years of Bush you will survive 4 more years of Obama. It is what it is. SOOOOOOOOOOO ready for this election to be over. lol |
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Posted by negirl2 - 10/11/2012 9:18:59 AM
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I don't expect Obama to round up Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Mentally and Physically challenged people...now whatever he describes as being the "wealthy" "priviledged" and/or "affluent" on the other hand...He just wants to take their property and the various rights that he deems unnecessary from them and the population as a whole...I jest only, well at least about the rounding up part, as far as redistribution and rights, there's some seriousness there. But, nothing surprises me about the WNTA and whatever road of conspiracy they happen to be on...this is yet another example of how the rules don't apply to it/them (in their esteemed opinion) when those very rules work against their purpose. I can easily imagine its/their reaction if a similar program took place, the content of which was the opposite of their views... |
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Posted by Yoda - 10/11/2012 9:18:11 AM
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This type of nonsense is so typical of the WNTA. They are a group of very self righteous arrogrant folks who believe they have all the anwers and are willing to stoop to any means to achieve their goals. This doesn't surprise me a bit but I hope it wakes up more people about this organization. If it wasn't for the leadership at The Telegraph they would have disappeared into obsucrity a few years ago. |
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Posted by I use several - 10/11/2012 7:51:26 AM
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Dear plan9_frm_outerspace, look at where the USA is now: 1) high unemployment rate, especially in certain categories ie. youth 2) food stamps use highest ever 3) huge growth in people on disability. This increases the number people dependant on the government. Wait until all of the healthcare law kicks in, we will be on waiting lists for surgery or worse ineligible due to age or other conditions...diabetes...obesity (terms like pre-existing won't be used). Then it will be just a few slips down the slope to pick out groups, not homosexuals or foreigners, more likely will be uncooperative folks like business owners who don't supply insurance coverage & Catholics who won't cave in on abortion, they will become the full blown targets of public ridicule & scorn, that's how hitler started. |
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Posted by npborngirl - 10/11/2012 7:48:15 AM
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Steve: Let us all know when Obama starts rounding up the Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Mentally and Physically challenged people and sends them all off to the death camps!! Comparing what is happening in this country to Nazi Germany is shallow and ridiculous!! |
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Posted by plan9_frm_outerspace - 10/11/2012 7:16:24 AM
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Don't get me wrong guys...I am NOT saying that Obama is Hitler!.....But if you spend a lot of time studying what 1920's-1930's Germany was like and reading personal accounts of peoples lives when Hitler came into office and some of the ways he worked while in office...It fits almost hand in hand with how and what our government is doing now.....Again...I am NOT calling him Hitler!, But we do seem to be headed down the same slippery slope. |
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Posted by Steve - 10/11/2012 6:46:17 AM
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Wake up, previous commenters. |
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Posted by TrapperJ - 10/11/2012 6:17:36 AM
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Another example of the deceit of the WNTA. Remember this folks, the next time you read an editorial penned by Mike Groene or other WNTA hack in the newspaper. They play just as fast and loose with the "facts" they quote as they did with the rules of the North Platte Library. |
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Posted by justanopinion - 10/11/2012 6:05:00 AM
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TRUE COLORS OF THE WNTA!!!! FOOLS! |
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Posted by Voice of Reason - 10/10/2012 6:46:21 PM
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Yep, that'd be almost as bad as someone comparing Bush to Hitler. |
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Posted by Diogenes - 10/10/2012 6:20:09 PM
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It seems that Mike Groene's unsuccessful attempts at gaining public office have taken away a lot of WNTA's steam given the fact that we've not heard a lot from this group recently. Even their website is out of date by over a year...see it at http://www.wnta.org |
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Posted by yoi - 10/10/2012 4:40:27 PM
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WOW!! Talk about Nazi tactics! Comparing the President of the United States of America to Adolph Hitler is outrageous!! And to do so under the guise of it being some sort of historical seminar, taking place at our City Library, is just as outrageous. Leave it to the Western Nebraska Taxpayers Association and the likes of right wing fanatics such as Heinzle and Rieker!! No American President should ever be compared to Hitler whether it be Obama, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, Nixon or any of them! Unbelievable!! |
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Posted by plan9_frm_outerspace - 10/10/2012 1:57:55 PM
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The WNTA has had other campaign programs in the back room of the library before. |
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Posted by tiger4 - 10/10/2012 1:57:53 PM
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