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I love how just because you may be related to someone in an authority position everyone assumes that when/if you get into trouble you get off easy. My uncle is a police officer and I guarantee that if I or my siblings, or cousins had ever or ever do get into any trouble with the law it will be way worse on us. There would be no preferential treatment and he''d probably ask the judge to make the punishment worse. Her father is a very fair and good man, everyone is their own person and her choices should have no reflection on him whatsoever. |
 | Posted by tssmommy - 7/23/2009 9:10:09 AM
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lol scarey but ms turnbull''s sad picture and ms ochoa''s sad pic looks enough alike to pass as sisters or kin
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 | Posted by mississipi_blueyes - 7/22/2009 10:00:15 PM
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well, I''m sure being the daughter of a Judge HELPED " pull some strings" for Ms. Turnbull--and I don''t think she was all that" brainwashed" or manipulated by Clark-Guthrie either. SHe KNEW what she was doing when she did it. Just like another case where the girl SHOULD OF DONE THE TIME FOR THE CRIME but she too PLEAD " HE brainwashed"or manipulated me and I''m INNOCENT--and she too is FREE---let someone be int the same shoes as these two and see what happens. |
 | Posted by mississipi_blueyes - 7/21/2009 11:13:40 PM
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2FAR...I suggest you check Nebraska statutes. He would have had to have been 15 or younger for her to hve been given any sxually related charges. It had nothing to do with who her dad is. In reality,she got it worse than the other woman who became intimately involved with another 16 year old from the Wilcox. (Look back to past article)That woman got off easy. It didn''t even make headline news and believe me her behaviors warranted alot more than what she got. If Briana had been someone other than a Turnbull, I doubt you would have even heard about it or the details. |
 | Posted by sensible - 7/19/2009 11:15:03 PM
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have any of you had the pleasure of sitting in Judge Turnbull''s courtroom while he is speaking to juvenile offenders?? he is a very fair judge if you are following your program and will give you a chance unless you continually mess up. i highly doubt her sentence had anything to do with him and his position, but go ahead and keep after it!! once again, North Platte at its best!! |
 | Posted by wannabe07 - 7/19/2009 8:58:16 PM
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I agree with all who have said this girl got off easy because of who she is. Anyone else would have had to register as a sex offender and do some real time! Our justice system is a joke! This proves it! She should be sharing a cell with the gal from Lexington! |
 | Posted by 2 Far From Home - 7/19/2009 4:23:32 PM
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Sensible, sorry, but the "rumors" as you call them are "observations" and I DO know from what I speak. I do concede the age of these victims have probably had much to do with the outcomes, but please don''t try to tell me that Judge Turnbull did not have anything to do with his daughters deal. He is a corrupt as the rest. As I stated, I hope she will be an excellent mother and get her life on track. |
 | Posted by Friendly One - 7/19/2009 9:55:01 AM
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Sorry, but I am laughing so hard....you so do not know me. ''Holier than thou'' is not a phrase anyone has ever used to describe me!!! Nor would they, that is, those who know me. Oh my gosh.... that is so funny. I will have to save your post and share it with those who don''t read here. They deserve a good laugh too. Oh...and to make such a personal attack really identifies that you can not properly argue the topic. Like I said if you want to debate my comments, that''s fine. After all that is what this is all about. However when one is unable to debate the topic and begins to feel inadequate or frustrated then one resorts to attacking the speaker (or poster in this case)
Yes, justa thought, you have had limited posts (remarks) and those that you have had were off topic and of a more personal nature to other posters, primarily me. What are your views on the topic? Do you have any or are you only able to criticise other posters? I''m not going to go back and review past stories but I must not have been your target before or I would remember. Now, if you have something to say about this story, and can debate the topic; Great. Otherwise, I will move on. Have a Good Day. |
 | Posted by sensible - 7/18/2009 2:12:04 PM
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You could but, it would be based on nothing more than supposition. You would be hard pressed to find many more than a dozen post that I have written since talk back began. You on the other hand, have written volumes on almost every subject and hold yourself up as an authority. From the copious post you have penned, your philosophies have become apparent. Although I sometimes agree with your perspective, your holier-than-thou attitude tends to alienate people. If you choose this forum as your main source of entertainment that is fine, as long as you keep in mind that everything is not so just because it spews forth from your keyboard. |
 | Posted by Just a thought - 7/18/2009 1:45:42 PM
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justathought...funny I could make the same post (statement) about you. |
 | Posted by sensible - 7/18/2009 10:42:10 AM
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Friendly One, you will wear your fingers to the bone before you convince Sensible of anything as she is the self–proclaimed authority on almost every subject. You only have to read her last few posts to get a feel for the “insightful” omnipotent nature of her opinions. Sensible, these are not attacks, but simply observations. You know nothing about me yet you have determined not only that I am wrong, but also that I have no experience working with teenagers, and that I am not actively involved in promoting changes to programs aimed at improving not only the well-being of children, but the family as a whole. Take a breath. You will learn more by listening (reading) than you ever will by talking (posting). |
 | Posted by Just a thought - 7/18/2009 7:31:23 AM
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Oh...and to the courts it is the chronological age that is they''re only concern. Nebraska law uses child under 16 with adult 19 or older. That is why the teacher suffered a more severe sentence. It became more than just custodial interference, it involved the sexual abuse of a child. You did help to support my argument though, that not all ''minors'' are not the innocent victims we want them to be. That is why we need to instill a greater amount of individuality in our criminal system. Things aren''t always just black or white. |
 | Posted by sensible - 7/17/2009 9:01:14 PM
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His age and her pregnancy were not the only or main factors for her sentencing. Nor did her father have anything to do with it. It had more to do with the young man''s history. As for your accusations of this being a ''habit'' they are baseless rumors. If such things were facts they would have been introduced in this case. Rumors and speculations can be harmful. If you truly knew of what you spoke, you wouldn''t be spreading such rumors. I do know of what you speak. I do know the ''rumors'' and the people involved. I also know there were many who only had half of the facts and then added their own suppositions. Now this young lady has to get on with her life. She has a child to raise, love and care for. She needs positive people in her life who will not judge her and leave the past where it belongs. |
 | Posted by sensible - 7/17/2009 8:52:50 PM
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Thank you "Just a thought". I have to say "sensible" usually has some good common sense "talk backs" but doesn''t know that I have worked with teens. Ms Turnbull had a habit of having "inappropriate" relationship with young men. Just because the minor in this case was 17 and the other minor was 12, that 12-year-old was mature beyond his years and from I understand was not an innocent victim. Both of these cases were heard in Dawson County and I still believe that Ms Turnbull got off easy because of her judge father AND just because she is pregnant should not have kept her from some prison time. I believe Ms Turnbull does need some intense counseling to break her of the habit of getting involved with boys (I know from what I speak). |
 | Posted by Friendly One - 7/17/2009 8:18:40 PM
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From my experince with probation about 10+ yrs ago. They only did drug testing if it was court ordered or if the probation officer had reasonable cause. |
 | Posted by stuperdave - 7/17/2009 7:53:05 PM
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tradional probation includes monthly meetings with a probation officer along with drug tests,and so on. Intense supervised means daily contacts with your p.o. and random drug tests possibly every day if they feel the need. Also electric monitoring will probly definately be included. |
 | Posted by witness - 7/17/2009 5:54:56 PM
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And justathought...why if someone disagrees with you or has insight into a situation, you make personal attacks. I think it is great to have "society as a whole embraces family values and returns the responsibility of raising children back to the parents where it belongs." But what about those whose parenting is actually hurting children and what about the children who, regardless of their responsible parents and nice home life break the law and/or commit violent crimes? What do you suggest we do then? Hmm? Why do you think so many kids enter into the juvenile justice system and then go on to enter into the adult system? How do you think we accomplish re-instilling family values and giving childrearing back to parents? It is ok to criticise me but you should have some means of implementing and supporting your ideas. You aren''t as different from me as you would like to believe yourself to be. |
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Sensible, why is that whenever anyone disagrees with your point-of-view, they''re the ones that need to be educated or to be more understanding. Significant change in the juvenile justice system will never come about unless and until society as a whole embraces family values and returns the responsibility of raising children back to the parents where it belongs. An egotistical, condescending, self-aggrandizing attitude simply isn''t enough…otherwise, I am sure you would have solved all the problems long ago. |
 | Posted by Just a thought - 7/17/2009 9:45:33 AM
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Friendly one...I believe that the age difference was a big factor. If I remember correctly, the boy in Lex was 12. Kaden was 17 and is now 18. I know the baby will be well loved and cared for. As for Brianna having to be ''tied'' to the father, I doubt Kaden will hang around very long. He already has a new ''girl'' in his life. There were many factors in this case not made public that were influencial in the final outcome.
TO Justathought...I suggest you do some work with these teens...you might, then, get a better understanding of where I am coming from. I am not some ''lone soldier'' out there bucking the system. There are many who realize there are errors in our current system with research to support the facts. It may be slow in coming but there are going to be changes. |
 | Posted by sensible - 7/17/2009 8:15:35 AM
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I hope this whole incident has taught Ms Turnbull some very important lessons, and now she will have a baby brought into the world because of her actions. I hope the child will be loved and well taken care of, but this will forever "tie" her to the father. Hope he does not stir up trouble, but he sounds like the type who could. What a sad situation. By the way, why did Ms Turnbull get probation, when the teacher from Lexington got 6 years prison time? Granted they went out of the country, but this pair were gone for 3 months. Ms Turnbull is lucky to get what she did and I hope she can change her life and find happiness in all the "right" places. |
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Sensible, problem solved. Let''s just give you the ultimate decision making power as to who needs additional help and who needs to be put away. Let''s ignore the recommendations of all those idiots that are responsible for them now. After all, they just don''t seem to have the same level of insight as you. |
 | Posted by Just a thought - 7/17/2009 4:57:11 AM
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Just a thought.....I also said their was the occassional ''bad seed''. And Kaden is one of them. He has not been involved in the system for several years like so many others. His original offense could have been and should have been dealt with in adult court.Confidentiality laws prohibit me from disclosing why he was in the Wilcox house but I firmly believe he should have been tried as an adult and placed in an adult facility.
I also stated that I would have taken Ben for foster care. As for Kaden, I would not want him living in the same neighborhood none the less my house. Kaden had all of the benefits of a good life, he did what he did and what he does ''for the thrills''. Sorry, but Ben and Kaden don''t even come close to being in the same catagory. And that is one of the problems with our system. Each case is not reviewed on its own merit nor are the individuals evaluated as such. Ben needed help and has for many years. Kaden needs jail time! If you want a view into true Narcassism, get acquainted with Kaden
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 | Posted by sensible - 7/16/2009 10:08:33 PM
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I dont give a rats a**. She left state lines with a minor for 3 months. He was living in the wilcox house which prolly means he was a ward of the state. She should have got locked up in my opinion. |
 | Posted by stuperdave - 7/16/2009 9:08:20 PM
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I wish this young lady and her family well in the coming years. We have all made mistakes in our lives and have learned from them. Stuperdave fits his name! |
 | Posted by lordymee - 7/16/2009 7:05:05 PM
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Sensible, I am confused. Why isn''t Kaden, “(the perfect "Poster Child" for our failing juvenile system)”? I am sure he didn''t just turn bad and this is all the result of “not receiving the proper care or treatment”. Maybe if he would have burned down someone''s home you would have been more understanding. Please refer to your comments on the Fitz sentenced article of 7/7/09. Consistency counts….you should try some. |
 | Posted by Just a thought - 7/16/2009 6:47:26 PM
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Sensible- I did not hear Mr. Lindemeier mention phone calls regarding the victim being involved with another staffer. I''m pretty sure it wasn''t mentioned. As for the difference between the two types of probation.
I was not clear on that myself so I contacted the probation office. They told me that what the judge referred to as ''intensive supervised probation'' now goes by another name: Community Based Intervention. CBI officers have far fewer cases so they can devote more time and resources to each one. For a sentencee, the difference is in the amount of contact with their assigned officer and the number of programs they have to participate in. CBI may also include electronic monitoring devices, though I don''t think Briana Turnbull has to wear one.
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 | Posted by Ben Schwartz - 7/16/2009 1:14:45 PM
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i agree c22. great post |
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this is just my opinion, and whoever reads it can take it how they want it, but there was obviously a change in venue for the trial for a reason. so how did she get special treatment because her dad is a judge? yes he is a judge but no he didn''t bail her out. she has to pay for it just like any of the rest of us would, and in more ways than just her sentencing. she has to think about this hell everyday for the rest of her life when she wakes up and looks into her babys eyes, which is also the most beautiful blessing in the world. so before you guys point fingers and say how horrible of a person you think she is, remember back to the mistakes and regrets you have made in your life because unless you''re perfect you''ve made a few. lets let her move on with her life without judgement from the greater good. |
 | Posted by c22 - 7/16/2009 12:33:22 AM
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Stuperdave, I suggest you go back and read the past article. There were other cases with the same/similar charges and the others were given less than what Brianna was given.
Ben, I have a question for you. When they were discussing the taped phone calls did they not mentiopn the one where Kaden let Brianna know he was involved with another female staff at his current placement and how that woman had just been fired or wasn''t that info news worthy?
I am just glad that the court business is over and Brianna can get on with her life. I just hope she can keep Kaden and his family out of her life. I don''t care what the judge says and I don''t care that Kaden is considered a ''minor'', he is a predator and she was just one of his victims. Now, could someone explain to me the difference between intense supervised probation and traditional probation. I thought probation was done under supervision.
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 | Posted by sensible - 7/15/2009 11:26:25 PM
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stuper dave...i disagree. i think two years intense supervision is what most would get, or may be even more. i think it was more than fair... |
 | Posted by northplatter - 7/15/2009 10:35:47 PM
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Must be nice to get the "special" treatment just cuz your related to a judge. If it would have been anyother person of the general public we would have been locked up. |
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