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Independent, I am not psychic, it''s not hard to read between YOUR lines. |
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I Use Several, you feel the same about Obama as I do, and I totally agree with all your thoughts and opinions. Obama is not going to solve everything and it''s going to take a long time to undo the last 8 years. I feel he is doing a great job reaching out to world leaders because communication goes a lot further towards peace than hate, torture and war. |
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Friendly one. I Don''t think I said what my opinion of President Obama was, but maybe you are psychic. |
 | Posted by independent - 4/20/2009 12:42:11 PM
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Ham, here is how I see it. President Bush probably did what he could after 9/11 but as time went on he got worse and worse advice from people like Rumsfeld and Cheney and he was unable to successful decipher friend from foe. We put lots of nations on the Axis of Evil list, pretty much quit weeking advice from our allies and friends (ignored them when they gave it) and went out on our own to act unilaterally as we saw fit. That approach just hasn''t worked well for us. So, we tried that, it didn''t work well, now it is time to move on and try something different. That is what we elected President Obama to do and that is what he is doing. Time will tell if it is the right approach but what we were doing wasn''t producing the desired results of peace and stability. |
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Ham, you should feel comforted knowing that barry is just reaching out attempting to make friends with these dictators. He can then add them to his kwanzaa card list along with rezko, ayres, doren, wright, davis, alinsky, soros. |
 | Posted by sako - 4/20/2009 9:22:22 AM
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I think it''s important to point out that former President Bush didn''t set out to anger the world--in the geopolitical climate after 9/11, most of us were wary of who was our friend and who was our foe. How it''s turned out isn''t ideal, but to resoundingly judge him by acting defensive is silly and dangerous. How should Pres. Obama act in the same situation? |
 | Posted by Hamjustice - 4/20/2009 8:34:00 AM
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I do not see any of the "wolves" that you say President Obama is "lying down with" are real threats to the US. Most are third world nations with repressive governments and some with deep poverty. However, by acknowleging our differences and staying on guard yet treating them with respect you at least have a chance for dialogue that might result in some positive changes. I think that is what our new president is trying to do. President Bush and his administration took the other course and we have seen how that worked out - we are weakened as a result of it. |
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I did NOT say, "try to kill us," I said, "threaten to kill us," which many of the dictators he''s meeting with have done. Since we are in a position of weakness with many of the countries in the world right now, I, logically, shudder when I see our leader lying down with wolves. |
 | Posted by Hamjustice - 4/20/2009 7:19:02 AM
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I think President Obama is doing the right thing in attempting to have some dialogue with nations who are not friendly to us. You maintain your guard but you also try to discuss your differences in the hopes that at least some civil accord can come from it and maybe they won''t "try to kill us" as you say in the future. We didn''t have diplomacy under Bush - we just continued to make enemies. I think Obama''s approach is a good one - he will restore communication without compromising security. |
 | Posted by I use several - 4/19/2009 11:28:10 PM
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I''ve really tried to give President Obama a chance, but since he''s been in office, so many heinous things have happened.
I just can''t sit quietly any longer and let him contiune without me giving my opinion. My feelings changed when, "President Obama struck down a rule Friday that prohibits U.S. money from funding international family-planning clinics that promote abortion or provide counseling or referrals about abortion services.: (CNN, http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/23/obama.abortion/index.html)
I can''t support someone who is trying to fix our economic crisis by plugging future money into a sucking drain, who makes it "legal" to abort babies and shakes the hands of leaders who call us Terrorists and threaten to kill us just two years ago.
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 | Posted by Hamjustice - 4/19/2009 9:28:35 PM
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Independent. Olberman and Maddow do their homework before they speak. They point out the lies, corruption in Washington during the Bush administration. Limbaugh, Hannity and O''Reilly open their mouths and insert a foot every time they do a show. Their "free speech" stirs anger and hate and try to split this country worse than it already is. Thank God for an intelligent president with integrity and the passion to put this country back on track. Bush and Cheney put us in the toilet. I don''t expect to change your mind, but I wish more people would have an open mind and have faith and support Obama. |
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Barak isnt???? If you believe this you really do have your head in the sand!!! |
 | Posted by growup - 4/19/2009 12:30:04 AM
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I''m damned glad we have a Democrat in office. George Bush was a liar and a criminal!!!! |
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Friendly One. Keith Olberman, Tachel Maddow, Hannity,Bill O Reilly and Rush are all asses. My advise to all would be to change the channel. All they do is stir the pot. |
 | Posted by independent - 4/18/2009 5:55:57 AM
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Some of you need to remember that many thousands have given there lives so you could have the right to have your voices heard. The only problem is what is coming out of your collective mouths. The name calling has got to stop. Your mothers should have taught you that if you have nothing good to say, then don''t say it. The extremes are tearing this country apart and you are only showing your ignorance when you join in. Most of you were raised better than that. Grow up or shut up! |
 | Posted by annoyed...... - 4/17/2009 10:54:21 PM
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Don''t take yourself so seriously there, Hammy, and lighten up on President Obama''s trip to Latin America. Heck we''ve had a crisis economically in this nation for the last several years and that didn''t keep "W" at home. Besides, if this trip results in lessening tensions in the region and restoring some positive relationships among the Americas then I''m all for it! Ham, you are reflecting the current Limbaugh/Hannity line of "nothing Obama does is good." Give our President some time - I think he is on the right track! |
 | Posted by I use several - 4/17/2009 9:42:26 PM
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Thanks Diogenes, I appreciate the reply. |
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This story is not about, "Hammy." 4.I agree to only make comments that are relevant to this story.
5.I agree to discuss the subject in a civil and intelligent manner without making personal attacks on any individual.
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 | Posted by Hamjustice - 4/17/2009 8:02:51 PM
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why not little hammy- are you jealous? |
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Of course they have--don''t be absurd. But, while we''re in a crisis,hurting, and the country''s morale is tenuous at best, most presidents have postponed trips abroad to face the task at hand. I''d prefer not seeing our president bowing to the Saudi King, or shaking hands and patting arms with Hugo Chavez. |
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And US Presidents have never left the country to meet with world leaders before, have they Hammy? The guy can''t win with you - you just want to be mad. |
 | Posted by I use several - 4/17/2009 12:29:50 PM
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Please, let''s not forget that President Obama is doing most of his flushing of my, my children''s and my grandchildren''s money while he''s on his, "WORLD TOUR 2009!!!" My God, the least he could do is stick around his own country a bit to watch everything go on. The last time he was in town, he got a puppy....what a perfect euphamism! We''ve gone to the dogs! I want a T-Shirt, at least, that says, "My President went all over Europe and South America on my dime and spent TRILLIONS of dollars, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt." |
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Yeah, Obama has plans to turn the country around. Like a toilet flushing, around and around. Bush started the flushing and Obama is kicking it up a notch. |
 | Posted by Walt - 4/17/2009 9:52:26 AM
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Flatrock, you would agree that all those you mentioned have a right to their opinions would you not? Why does someone disagreeing with you feel like a judgement? No, conservatives are God-loving, patriotic, IMPERFECT Americans. |
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As Keith Olberman on Countdown and Rachel Maddow pointed out most Americans don''t even know what the Tea Party (original one) was all about. Try listening to people who makes sense instead of Hannity, O''Reilly, and Limbaugh. I believe Obama has solid plans and will turn this country around. Time will prove it. It''s not going to happen overnight. |
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Wags....GET REAL! You state that "I, nor any other conservative will be your judge"!!!!! Was not Mike Groene judging Mayor Kaschke in his speech, isn''t Dave Simpson acidic in his judgement of every issue, does not Shawn Hannity judge to the point of ridicule everyone that does not fit his narrow and conservative view of the world, do not organizations like the American Family Association, Focus on the Family and a host of others "not judge" those that do not have beliefs that agree with them?????? Come on Wags....don''t slip in little tidbits in your post that you and all conservatives are these perfect, God loving, American patriots that will love all the lefties and crazies out there, even the child killers, as you put it. Whatever anyone''s beliefs are it is the right of all Americans to be able to voice that opinion and state their beliefs. Upon that we agree but I cannot agree with all that you posted. This from someone who is a lot futher to the right than you might imagine. |
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If you are tired, Wags, go take a nap. You''ll feel better. One thing we agree on is that Christ is our savior and we need Him in our lives so that is common ground. I truly am glad that you are open to the exchange of ideas and that you see the need for both liberal and conservative thought. Any student of history will. That is clear enough to me. Do I think that groups on the far right like the AFA hold that same view? Not in the least. Fair point, hamjustice, except for the Oklahoma City bombings or have you forgotten that? The extremes work the same way, be they left or right. Wags, I am glad we are both on the side of FREEDOM! |
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Several, you make me tired. I stand for FREEDOM - I don''t care if your gay or not, if your for killing innocent children or not, if your for killing convicted murderers or not. You have a right to believe whatever you want. AGAIN it is YOUR choice to use your GOD-given rights as you see fit. Yes, I believe in God and Jesus my savior(which I need), but I cannot and will not force you to agree! I, nor any other conservative will be your judge. We will disagree with you, but we don''t have the divinity to judge you. By all means, do as you please! Clear enough? or contridictory? |
 | Posted by wags - 4/17/2009 7:15:16 AM
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"They remind me of the extreme left wingers like the Weather Underground..." except there is a BIG difference between dumping tea and blowing up things, killing people and arson. |
 | Posted by Hamjustice - 4/17/2009 6:59:05 AM
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I cant speak for the Tea Party at the courthouse, but our Tea Party at the river was not sponsered by anyone. It was not sponsered by AFA or WNTA or the GOP. If you let the truth be told all demographics were included there, and they were represented in acurate ratios compared to ratios of NP. People of all makes and models were there. There were 5 NP individuals that paid for the whole bill. There were some radicals from the right there for sure, but some of you were there, so we had a equal opportunity moonbat gathering. The majority of us had never gone to a WTNA meeting or a political protest of any kind (including the 2 of us who organized it). I have never been upset enough to feel this way, but the actions of Bush and Obama have made me cross a line. Most of us have disowned Bush because he started this trend, and we were caught off guard that he would betray the country like that. We cannot stand for these huge spending programs. If we allow it to happen it will require forced labor for our children to pay for this. With the new budget we will have a deficit of over 10 TRILLION. It will take 800 or so BILLION EVERY YEAR just to pay the interest. It is unsustainable! |
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The American Family Association! Now THAT is an interesting group to sponsor "Tea Parties" that champion individual liberty. Better "get a clue" get a clue and check them out. They would love to remake American in their ultra conservative religious view point that would DENY human and civil rights to people they determine to be "not of God." Individual liberty only for those who accept their ''traditional values'' and teaching. Hypocrites by any other name. It seems many conservatives will stand up for LIFE if it doesn''t include a ban on capital punishment and LIBERTY unless you are gay or pro choice, Wags. Contradictions! |
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Why complain? Most of you gladly voted all this into action. |
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This is no longer the United States of America - It is the Divided States of America and for this we will FALL and be nothing better than a 3rd world country if we do not wake up and stand together.
New song recognizes ''tea party'' movement
''Mr. President! Your stimulus is sure to bust, It''s just a socialistic scheme''
REVOLUTIONARY IDEA
New song recognizes ''tea party'' movement
''Mr. President! Your stimulus is sure to bust, It''s just a socialistic scheme''
Posted: March 20, 2009
12:00 am Eastern
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
An entertainer who proudly admits to being "an American Black Conservative" has written a song in honor of the new nationwide "tea party" movement protesting Washington''s runaway spending.
The song will be performed at an event Saturday in Orlando, Fla., reports WND columnist Andrea Shea King, a radio talk show host on RadioPatriot.blogspot.com.
Written and performed by Lloyd Marcus, the song is directed to President Obama.
The "American Tea Party" starts out: "Mr. President! Your stimulus is sure to bust, It''s just a socialistic scheme. The only thing it will do, Is kill the American Dream."
It has been posted on YouTube and also is embedded here:
The lyrics, copyright Zephyrus Music, are:
Mr President!
Your stimulus is sure to bust
Its just a socialistic scheme
The only thing it will do
Is kill the American Dream
You wanna take from achievers
Somehow you think that''s fair.
And redistribute to those folks
Who won''t get out of their easy chair.
We''re havin'' a tea party across this land
If you love this country
Come on and join our band
We''re standin'' up for freedom and liberty
Cause patriots have shown us freedom ain''t free
So when they call you a racist cause you disagree
It just another of their dirty tricks to silence you and me.
I believe in the Constitution and all it stands for.
Anyone who tramples it should be booted out the door.
We''re havin'' a tea party across this land
If you love this country
Come on and join our band
We''re standin'' up for freedom and liberty
Cause patriots have shown us freedom ain''t free
Now we''re not advocating violence
That''s what the so-called peace crowd do
We''re talkin'' peaceful protest to defend the red, white and blue
We gotta vote out these clowns who don''t love the USA
Who stay up late losing sleep fearing what the French might say
We''re havin'' a tea party across this land
If you love this country
Come on and join our band
We''re standin'' up for freedom and liberty
Cause patriots have shown us freedom ain''t free
We''re havin'' a tea party across this land
If you love this country
Come on and join our band
We''re standin'' up for freedom and liberty
Cause patriots have shown us freedom ain''t free
Freedom ain''t free
(Stand up for America)
Freedom ain''t free
(Gotta take a stand)
Freedom ain''t free
(Mr Obama)
Freedom ain''t free
(we work hard for our money)
Freedom ain''t free
(Don''t give it away)
Freedom ain''t free
(Save the day)
Freedom ain''t free
(Don''t go givin'' it away)
Freedom ain''t free
(It ain''t gonna work)
Freedom ain''t free
(Give back our freedom)
Freedom ain''t free
(Give back our liberty)
Freedom ain''t free
(I love my country)
Lloyd''s website describes him as believing conservatism is compassionate and "the true path to achieving the American Dream."
Three of Lloyd''s paintings from his series titled, "STOREFRONTS: Reflections of Growing Up in his Preacher Dad''s East Baltimore Church," achieved worldwide recognition when they were banned from a Florida city''s Black History Month Exhibit. Marcus'' art was banned for "religious themes."
While WND has been tracking 170 individual tea parties across the nation, one group has announced it is planning rallies in 1,000 cities and towns April 15.
The American Family Association, or AFA, is coordinating 1,000 Taxed Enough Already, or TEA, parties to be held at 12 p.m. in front of city halls across the nation.
The organization launched a Tea Party Day website just days ago so volunteer organizers can register their protests with AFA. The website also provides a list of other protests across the nation that are not organized by AFA.
Michael DePrimo, special counsel to AFA President Tim Wildmon, told WND that AFA has been inundated with e-mails from citizens who want to attend or organize tea parties in their own cities.
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 | Posted by get a clue - 4/16/2009 7:18:28 PM
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I don''t believe Mr. Groine speaks for conservatives. He speaks for himself. Life, LIBERTY, property. Trust in people to make their own decisions with their God-given rights. Equal opportunity NOT equal outcome. Yes, some people will acquire more property than others and sacrifice to do so. Their choice! Some choose not to sacrifice everything for more property. Their choice! Conservatives stood up for life, LIBERTY, and property yesterday. Their choice! You don''t like what they stood up for. Your choice! Countless men and women have died for our right to speak our mind without fear of being silenced by those more powerful. I believe it was amendment 1. Enjoy your freedom! |
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At least one good thing has come out of the Tax Day Tea Party, now everyone knows that our long time newspaper, the Telegraph, is corrupt! Many have suspected it since it was sold to out of town owners but now they proved it. |
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This atmosphere reminds me of the 1980s; the groups are new, but the rhetoric is the same. If you are so concerned about the debt your children will have to pay, why don''t you all spend more time observing county government or city government? They are the people who really affect your day-to-day living. How many of you actually pay attention to the county and city budgets? How many of you exercise your right to attend the meetings of the County Board or City Council? Why aren''t you asking if some of the services - city and county - can be combined into one building? There would be less upkeep and, hopefully, easier access. Why is everything so spread out? Is it because of that true independent spirit of Nebraskans? I thought Nebraskans were supposed to be practical people. |
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As is so typical of the Telegraph, they feature their favorite poster boy, Mike Groene on the front page of todays paper. Mr. Groene''s slanderous comments of Mayor Kaschke are so typical. What is so amazing is that he self describes himself and the WNTA as "rightfully so, part of the political process"! Oh really.....seems to me that every public office Mr. Groene has run for he has failed to win. The one state wide spending limit initiative that he sponsored went down in flames as well. Me thinks to self proclaim yourself and your little organization as "part of the political process" might just be over stating your power and influence! |
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Further proof of the extreme partisan nature of the "protest" yesterday can be found by reading the front page of today''s Telegraph and the comments of their favorite negative poster boy Mike Groene. His attacks on our mayor for not attending the event is so typical of this bunch. Full of themselves, arrogant, bitter, and condescending. Only THEY and their views are patriotic or correct. They remind me of the extreme left wingers like the Weather Underground and Black Panthers from the 60''s. And they are about as irrelevant today. Extremism, right or left, will not solve our problems. Cooperation, working together, and good faith dialogue will. |
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Yes of course it is a SHAME to attend a peaceful political protest. You understand that voting is another form of political protest. It doesnt make any difference who we vote for they all do the same things, so voting must be a SHAME too? As for the littering, dont forget the pollution of the tea in the river, ARREST ME!! MOLON LAVE!!! Cowards I dare you!! |
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For all of those that jumped on the bandwagon and attended the tea party, what a SHAME. We pay the highest property taxes and have the most expensive fuel prices in Nebraska and what have you done about that ? You people are laughable. You have no clue about econmics or the deficit. What would you have the President do, NOTHING. Bush did that for the last 6 years and look where we are. Kaschke took the high road and did not want any part of this chaotic non meaning crap. And why was the guy not arrested for litering for dumping the crate. It all looked like a riot to me. I hope you are all proud of yourselves, for the only thing you accomplished is how po-dunk North Platte really is. Kudos and congrats - the good life at it''s fines. |
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AGAIN, I did not say that FDR''s programs got us out the depression, and honestly, neither did the war. My argument was that following the depression we put more stringent regulations in place to manage banks and financial institutions and to protect the integrity of such and the faith people had in the economy. FDR was an example of how short sighted our government is and how people complained back then and many of his programs, after several years, helped to improve the economy. My argument was that the change and improvement wasn''t going to come over night and that we just have to buckle in. FDR was merely an example, one that I am now regretting that I bothered to use. |
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Outsider, I beg to differ with you over how we got out of the great depression. NONE of FDR''s programs even came close. They only made it worse. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and us going to war got us out of the depression. |
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And just to be clear, I am pretty sure that only one of us has attacked any party one way or the other. And irony, thy name is wags, as you espouse liberals who attack free speech and then attack any one who has the audacity to differ from your opinion. |
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Wags, clearly you misread my post. I did not say that Roosevelt created those programs, I just said that, much like now, people back then claimed that all of Roosevelt''s programs would put us into an even worse economic state but eventually that proved not to be the case. I am just saying that some change, any change, should take time and should not be viewed as a short term goal. That is the biggest problem with our government, not focusing on long term solutions. Second, I am not talking about the federal reserve. Those are funds to help keep banks afloat. I am talking about SEC regulations, and FDIC insurance requirements and fair trade/insider trading and fair reporting regulations which were stringent until the 1980''s when they were relaxed because the big business wanted them to be. And I didn''t find that information in a high school text book but I do find it unfortunate that you would feel the need to insult my "knowledge base" rather than actually attack the majority of my argument. Which, incidentally was pretty non-partisan all around. But if I have offended you, please forgive me if I don''t lose sleep over it. |
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Outsider, the Federal Reserve was created prior to the depression. Why didn''t it stop a depression from happening? You must also note the influx of social programs in the Hoover administration that FDR took further. There are also many scholars who claim that FDR and his programs extended the depression by at least 10 years. Your reply? Please don''t act as though history is rock solid . . . it has to be looked at from all sides to find the truth somewhere in the middle. You do have to read more sources than a high-school history text! |
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Up until the 1930''s the economy of this country was a 15 year cycle of boom and bust. In the 30''s things changed when the bust became a full on economic depression. The government (regardless of whether or not you consider it liberal or conservative at that time) put in regulations to manage banks and money. For 50 years, prosperity and equilibrium in the American economy. Then the 80''s came and much like the shortsightedness of most of our policies, people in government started saying, oh we no longer need these policies, everything is just fine, and they started unraveling the threads of the programs and policies that kept us the consumers safe, then the S&L scandals, Enron, and two recessions between then and now, and instead of revisiting this legislation and putting those protections back in place they continued to loosen them. And now we are here. Regardless of which president (and they both bear a lot of blame) we are in an economic slump that is larger than anything we have seen in the last 50 years. It''s not a partisan problem so much as a it is a corruption and greed problem. I agree that we don''t need to be creating crippling debt for our future children, but in the 30''s, they said the same thing about Roosevelt and he created programs that helped us to bounce back from a severe depression. It didn''t happen overnight and our economy won''t improve in two years. It''s a roller coaster and a ride, but remember, the people we elect have access to the best and brightest minds in economics. If they choose to ignore them (as our 80''s and 90''s governments did) and continue to cater to the wealthy, we won''t have any regulations at all. And then we are seriously done for. It''s hard to wait and see, but anymore, what choice do we have? Let''s put it this way, after the last 8 years, with the economy and our civil liberties being seriously threatened (I invite you to actually read the Patriot Act--terrifying) things can''t really get much worse. The only way is up from here. |
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Hey, wags, let me clear something up for you right away! I don''t care about the protests - that is one of the greatest rights the LIBERAL founders of our nation gave us - you can bet that the conservative royal government of England didn''t encourage (or even allow) freedom of expression. My problem is that this was presented as a non partisan spontaneous gathering of taxpayers unhappy with the growth of government and concerned about expenditures. What it really turned out to be was a Republican party event designed to reenergize the GOP base. Be honest. These protests didn''t occur when Bush was drastically increasing spending yet cutting taxes on the wealthy. No protests when he let the banks take the bailout money without any supervision on how it was to be used and we all know how they used it. At heart this was a conservative Republican rally. The protests by the left in the 1960''s were, at times, off base as well. Painting with the broad paintbrush just like the right wingers are doing now. We should be working together to restore our economy - not trying to exploit people''s fears in order to regain a political footing. |
 | Posted by I use several - 4/16/2009 9:35:22 AM
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WOW! You lefties sure are agitated! How can you claim you claim to be liberals (liberty) when you are against the free speech of those you have opposing views? Ironic, the 1960''s protesters are in power and suddenly don''t like protests. Could it be that they like power more? Why do you think the founders tried to limit and separate governmental powers? Power corrupts, left, right, whatever, nobody should have all the power! |
 | Posted by wags - 4/16/2009 8:46:40 AM
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Some of you people are really out of control. This tea party was simply a gathering of individuals who are fed up with irresponsible and/or corrupt politicians wasting our money and money that America does not even have, severely handicapping future generations. Sure there are nuts on every side of the political spectrum and some of them are right here in little ol'' NP. The point is that governments both federal, state and local cannot continue throwing money around and expect us to take it and shut up. |
 | Posted by bigsky - 4/16/2009 6:25:54 AM
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I think you''re incredibly naïve if you think that going further into debt will get us out. Can you do that with your finances? Tell me that you run your personal finances this way and show me how it''s going to get you out of debt. Like getting out of Iraq or Afghanistan, there is no plan, just talk. It''s a real world and “spend and get rich” doesn''t work. It never has. That''s the main reason we''re where we are. Our leaders bought into that philosophy many years ago. We''re now reaping what they''ve sown. There is never any talk of the government cutting back during these times. How many of our leaders have called for massive cuts in government spending? Look at our newest budget proposal. Bush was a horrible president and it''s worse than anything he did. The system always grows larger and has more power. This is not the system our constitution calls for. Do you really believe our government serves us, or do we serve it? Illegal aliens have not done our economy any good whatsoever. They drain it by stealing services, and yes jobs. Why do you think they come here? We were constantly told by Bush that it was for a better life, that they do the jobs that Americans won''t. We''ve had hospitals go bankrupt because of them, they get benefits that steal money from us, and they get a free education from our school system, most often requiring us to provide teachers who speak Spanish. They are a huge burden on an already bankrupt economy. Our governmental model has already been turned upside down. Is this the same government that we had at the beginning, with all of its programs, regulations and government jobs? Read some American history and you''ll see that it is a far cry from what the founders envisioned. It won''t take long to find out just exactly how this will all turn out. There are consequences and we are facing some now and will see the rest soon. That''s why all the protests in the world won''t change anything. |
 | Posted by Diogenes - 4/16/2009 2:53:48 AM
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I''ll bite on your questions, Diogenes. 1.) The goal is to help the people by putting money into the economy, stabilize the financial industry, and create jobs. Yes, the government could have done a lot better job at creating jobs with the money. The goal right now is not to get the government out of debt, that can only happen in times of a strong economy. 2.) Not applicable- see previous answer. 3.) I don''t believe that Obama is wanting to "penalize" the productive and "reward" the unproductive- the scheme is more along the lines of simply taxing the super rich, allow a little bit (okay maybe quite a bit) of inflation to fight deflation, and help the Americans who are really struggling (at no fault of their own) to get back on their feet. 4.) Illegal immigration is a problem, but not in the manner that you suggest. Layoffs are occurring across the board- legals and illegals. The current economic recession does not discriminate. 5.) I''ll answer your question with another question- what policies do you feel will work? We don''t need to turn our whole 230+ year government model upside-down to solve a temporary problem. 6.) I''m not worked up by any sort of influence that this protest has over our leaders, just amazed by what other voters believe, and concerned at the influence that they have over less informed (if that is possible) voters. I agree, socialism leads to mediocrity. For the record, I''m not liberal nor conservative, just a moderate. |
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I use several, I keep asking you the same questions. Maybe you can answer now. How exactly is driving us further into debt, as Bush did and Obama is doing, going to get us out of debt? Which of his policies are designed to do this and how will they work? How can you keep penalizing the productive and rewarding the unproductive and lawless without horrible consequences for the economy? How can you allow people here illegally to keep taking American jobs while our workers are laid off and expect things to turn around? Why do you think that continuing policies that haven''t worked in the past will somehow bring about a different result now? I''m also kind of curious as to why everyone is so worked up over something that is largely symbolic and will quite obviously not change our leaders'' minds? Socialism will eventually lead to mediocrity. |
 | Posted by Diogenes - 4/15/2009 11:18:15 PM
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Diogenes- short answer, no. Long answer- I don''t think that complete socialism is good. A well-balanced mix of socialism and capitalism is my preference. I believe that the U.S. is the best nation in balancing the two. Many of the Western Europe nations are in far greater financial difficulties than we are because of their social programs- they no longer have the ability to tax their way out. The point of my comment was that the man with the sign is using a rather broad brush when painting his "protest" picture. |
 | Posted by fed up - 4/15/2009 10:56:48 PM
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As expected, this rally was largely attended by right wingers who seemed to be more anxious to spread half truths about the actions of President Obama than paying taxes. Didn''t hear much about the part Bush and the GOP played in getting us where we are. All this nonsense about "Socialism" from the right - it isn''t "Democrat" now it is "Socialist". Most people there have no idea what that term even means. It is polarizing - if you are not a "God Fearing, Gun Toting, Republican conservative then you must be one of them Socialists!" Sad. It is fine to disagree and lobby for your position but to demean the patriotism of those who do not agree with you and claim that the only "True Americans" are people who agree with you is ignorance and arrogance. It takes both sides to make this great democracy work. Give the new President and his policies a chance to work and bring our nation back to prosperity. Fear and lots of misinformation is what I saw in the rally today. |
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Do you think socialism is good fed up? |
 | Posted by Diogenes - 4/15/2009 10:32:51 PM
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My favorite sign is the one that the old, yawning man is holding, stating "Just Say "no" to Socialism." Can we trust that he is saying "no" to his Social Security income and Medicare coverage? I doubt it. Pure B.S. |
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Who said anything about conspiracy theories? |
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i also like how people took their young kids who don''t have any idea what is going on- way to train them young to be sheeple. most look like lonely old people who just wanted to make some friends |
 | Posted by boxer - 4/15/2009 10:24:24 PM
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frank- why do you always erase my account? it hurts my feelings lol
i think it''s funny people actually think these protests do something. msnbc named all the towns taking part in this- sadly they missed north platte
i think about 600 people were probably there |
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I would suggest everyone stop with the conspiracy therories. It only makes you all look foolish. Duh. |
 | Posted by Braskaman - 4/15/2009 10:18:37 PM
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Witness if you go to Google and click on US news there are over 700 stories on Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano report that came out as a veteran I to could not believe what was in the report so check it out .And thak you for your service |
 | Posted by nebred - 4/15/2009 9:42:44 PM
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The pure B.S. that you see on some of these protest signs are annoyingly similar to the kind of wording that we used to see from signs that were paraded around by liberals during the Bush years. It seems that extremists on the left and the right both have a knack for spreading around propaganda and blame without offering any real solutions. Barack Obama is not the problem, nor was George W. Bush. God is not the solution, Redwardlee, "he" doesn''t exist. The great thing about capitalism is that the markets have a natural ability to gravitate towards equilibrium. Our economy will rebound, but it does need some time to rebuild after the mortgage bubble burst. Not a whole lot that we can do except whether the storm and keep our nation entact. |
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witness - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/ |
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I guess I can''t tell the difference. |
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witness - We advise you to do your own research. When we cover a story, or political rally, we quote the participants. Bulletin staffers don''t take sides, we only report what people say. If you agree or disagree with the statement, we advise you to research it and make up your own mind. Thanks. |
 | Posted by Frank Graham - 4/15/2009 8:47:28 PM
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Diogenes - I call them fools because they are. Read the posters on here and make your own decision. It''s obvious! |
 | Posted by punkie - 4/15/2009 8:43:42 PM
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Frank, I am not going to get on here and call anyone a liar, or say that there was this many people there or that many people here! I would like to know more about Mr. Hollands statement about the Dept. of Homeland Security declaring military veterans a terroristic threat! How ridiculous can someone be? I am a veteran and I am appalled by that statement! I also think it is a severe conflict of interest for a office of that nature to make such a statement! Please forward any info on where that statement came from if possible. If that is true, that''s a kick in the groin to any veteran, especially disabled veterans. I am angered that someone would insult our veterans in that manner!!!! |
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You need to calm down a bit punkie. Although it is kind of fun to watch you other anonymous posters get all wound up over nothing. What difference does it make how many were there? You make it plain that you think they are all fools. You needn''t worry that anything they say or do will affect our national economy. Your heroes in DC will continue doing what they''ve been doing. |
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Give it up jagchaser, YOU are busted both LOCALLY and NATIONALLY. Thanks to the local posters who TOLD THE TRUTH AFTER ALL ... Thanks guys!!! |
 | Posted by Braskaman - 4/15/2009 8:39:19 PM
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Got to agree with you punkle, there was not 400 people there. It was more like 200. My wife attended with me and counted them. I think the organizers are lying and trying to inflate the numbers. Thank God we had real people there who are holding these people responsible!!! |
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Punkie, obviously you are too ignorant to read the posts or watch the news; Our names were all over the event. Now, what''s your''s, SPINELESS! |
 | Posted by jagchaser - 4/15/2009 8:33:38 PM
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And we LOVE that the (anonymous) organizer relies on KNOP-TV facts. WE STAND BY our count and question media methods. We have actual counts. |
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We stand by our count. Haha. It''s fun to watch the (anonymous) organizers squirm in the facts. Hahaha. |
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Add your name to your post you spineless posters |
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Do the math, 318 is closer to 400 than 200 and there were some people whom did not sign and some people young enough they could not sign. KNOP said on the 10 o''clock news 400 to 450 people showed up. I have proof, you have negative rhetoric. |
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You claimed earlier that there were 400 people there. Now you admit there were 318 people there. I believe the NP Bulletin''s count - more like 200. Haha. What a loser you turned out to be! |
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Ha! Closer to 300 than 400. PROVES, once again, what a bunch of LIARS you are. |
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One proclamation circulated and had 318 signatures. Now who''s counting. Remember, not everyone signed each proclamation. |
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jagchaser - what a liar. There was nowhere NEAR half the 400 people he claimed. What a pathetic loser the poor man is by claiming that. We were there and counted the crowd. |
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In fact, more ... |
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Nice post C/K babe. I attended the rally also and I doubt it even had 150 people. Hold those organizers responsible, in other words, show us your count and NAME yourselves. Otherwise, yours and my numbers have as much weight as theirs ... |
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Forget anonymity. Publish your name and organization and maybe we''ll believe you. Otherwise, you''re Fox News or something MUCH less. Haha... |
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Forget estimates. Our numbers come from a direct count that was done as people crossed the street. |
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Wrong! We were at the rally and counted the crowd. It was close to 200 but not quite. your estimate of 400 sounds like Fox News, not accurate and not fair and balanced!! |
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First of all there were over 400 people counted who crossed the street to the rally point. I really doubt that some of you did show up, because your comments do not describe the event correctly. Kaschke "cancelled" at the last minute to go to Lincoln to further his political agenda. This was not a religious gathering, but rather a gathering opposing the bailouts and massive stimulus packages.
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 | Posted by jagchaser - 4/15/2009 7:50:09 PM
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Wow, boxer, I''m amazed you went ballistic over a non-existent being. We certainly live under an unjust government and have for a long time. Yes, Bush and his predecessors certainly were profligate. That doesn''t excuse what''s going on now. I agree with Redwardlee, the time for real action is long past. There will be no solutions found by having rallies, whether they''re attended by mouth-breathing window lickers or the fine upstanding people who despise them. Until people realize that the Republic is dead they won''t even understand what the real issues are, and they are indeed spiritual in nature. We are a bankrupt nation in nearly all areas. Economically we have already gone over the edge and there is no coming back. We keep getting more of the problem in place of solutions and telling our leaders we don''t like it isn''t going to change their minds. |
 | Posted by Diogenes - 4/15/2009 7:47:01 PM
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My family attended the rally and realized, all too soon, that these are the same people who hold the rest of us up in line at the store buying lottery scratch tickets. These are the illiterate people who vote against their own interests and haven''t a clue. These are the mouth breathers who follow right wing talk radio and do not think for themselves. We left the rally disgusted. |
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axzstres - Uh oh. I tested it myself and agree that there may be some kind of glitch on here. Sorry. It''s an awfully big website and we have more than 10,000 people registered to Talk Back and read the online Bulletin. I''ll get our tech guys on it ASAP. In the meantime, let''s all lay off the punctuation Nazi comments, eh? Thanks guys. |
 | Posted by Frank Graham - 4/15/2009 7:01:49 PM
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I love how Democrats and liberals are so afraid of confrontation and debate. It''s easier to claim those that oppose are either crazy or extremist. Well... I''m an equal opportunity frustrated citizen. I think Bush spent too much and now Obama is going to put us over the top. |
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Well, the band wagon liberals and the majority of ignorant college youth wanted change, well they sure got it. It''s funny how many of these folks are all of the sudden changing their tune and realizing that the change they wanted is not quite what they expected to get. But I''ll just kick back with my guns, watch our money go right into the pockets of rich people and laugh at the liberals. By the way isn''t putting money in the pockets of rich people a conservative ideal or so liberals claim? And Boxer, you and your fellow evolutionists are not going to like where you end up...and the ignorance continues. |
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My bad. I''ll stop throwing stones. Frank, Talkback is changing apostrophes to quotation marks for some reason |
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You all need to watch that tricky shift key... If you aren''t sure which punctuation to use, don''t use it at all. That being said I did appreciate the fact that you were all extremely consistant with the misuse of the quotation marks in place of the apostrophe. |
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I couldn''t have said it better punkle. you nailed it. |
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I accompanied my husband to the tea party by the river and I''ve never seen such angry, illogical any myopic political discussions. This state LIVES on tax revenue with all the farm subsidies, grants and government bailouts! Don''t these Nebraskans know how much their fellow citizens benefit from Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security? Really? You want to disengage from the federal tax? And let the state take care of it all? The rest of the nation would THANK you all. |
 | Posted by punkie - 4/15/2009 6:34:47 PM
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Wow. Reading the first two posts, this rally is getting weirder and weirder. I''m beginning to believe it was just a bunch of mouth-breathing, right wing KOOKS!!! Guns! God! Yeow.... |
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Organizers advertised that North Platte Mayor Marc Kaschke would be a speaker at the rally but, my understanding is, he had a last-minute scheduling conflict and could not attend. |
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Hey, where were you at the rally? We could have used a good speaker! What I want to know is why didn''t Kaschke show? What a jerk. |
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and if you want to have a religious debate than I''m all for it. ''god'' is not real, ''god'' did not create you or the world. ''god'' has nothing to do with who we are, or what is happening. we are a mistake- we are here because all the elements needed are available which shouldn''t be surprising because of how big the universe is. eventually the sun will eat us all, if a meteor doesn''t destroy us first. we a little speck in the vast universe. we aren''t important and we aren''t significant- to think that is ridiculous. enjoy your life and don''t worry about religious- you will never meet this ''god'' of yours. |
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I believe that the main problem facing our nation is spiritual in nature, not financial. People all around us are going to hell because they have never obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ. As a Christian, my focus must be on proclaiming Christ and Him crucified and calling on men and women everywhere to repent and follow Christ. Any attempt at reforming an individual or a nation apart from saving faith in Jesus Christ is doomed to failure. God provided His Son to bear our sins on the cross so that through faith in Him, and Him alone, we can be forgiven of our sins and enjoy eternal fellowship with the one true God. True freedom will only come through Christ not the removal of confiscatory tax laws.
While I appreciate these people and their willingness to make their concerns about our government known, I am afraid that all of these “Tea Parties” are doomed to fail in that they will not bring about any reform. First of all, we the people now have the administration the majority voted for. Obama did not assume the presidency through a coup, but through the complacency of a majority of ill- informed voters. Second of all, I believe that the time for talk is long past. How many more freedoms will we forfeit before the people of this country are so fed up that they are willing to risk the loss of life, limb and property to secure those freedoms purchased with the blood of patriots? The government has provided “bread and circuses” to lull the populace into a state of perpetual apathy, and it has worked. Many citizens, while inconvenienced by high taxes and the loss of certain freedoms, are more concerned with being able to live a comfortable life. No real opposition will be birthed in this kind of culture and the government knows it. I am quite certain that the leaders of this country could care less about these demonstrations.
I am not advocating armed rebellion! Nor am I filled with doom and gloom as if there is no hope. Quite the opposite, the economic difficulties along with other concerns, have given us an opportunity to re-think our priorities and reconsider whom we should appeal to for help. Our priorities must be our eternal soul and the only one to whom we need appeal is God through faith in Jesus Christ.
The Lord is coming back for His people and to judge the world. For those who know Him, that is encouraging news and a great motivation to be faithful in telling others about Christ. That is the only help that will produce real freedom.
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