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she's gonna get paid! just my 2 cents. "Uncle Pete's Rabbit Ranch" has way too many managers who abuse their power, this is just one instance, and I hope she sticks it to them real good. |
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Dave Thalken must have a good reason for all of this. Dave knows what he is doing. I do not believe that he has a hidden agenda(like someone said) to get people fired. Do your job and you won't have to worry about getting fired!!! |
| Posted by MT - 1/12/2009 2:56:46 AM
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I don't think most people intend to sue the RR. But i do think that the management handles things in the wrong way that forces people to have to sue them. Yes most of these cases do get handled out of court. As i have said before I have been on the receiving end of the management mishandling. And that is what this will be all about Management mishandling the situation and the RR buying its way out of it. Plain and simple. |
| Posted by Blue92 - 1/11/2009 5:00:25 PM
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i believe this woman. my youngest son passed away on thanksgiving day. we have lost all three of our sons in the past eight years. when my husband got home from our two weeks of leave from this, one of the people in management tried to get him disqualified from his job at uprr. well, you know what? it did not happen. my husband went to his union griever and he went to the top. this is an example of the uprr and their compassion for anyone. they tried to knock him further down in the dirt than he already was. i say go for it and stop them from doing these things to people. we were ready to sue and would have been winners too. damn corporate management. |
| Posted by joni - 1/5/2009 3:49:28 PM
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good thing this is just a STORY |
| Posted by boxer - 1/5/2009 3:38:54 PM
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*Poster*...yeesh.... |
| Posted by Mom2Sixpack - 1/5/2009 3:24:58 PM
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R79~ Are you saying that she faked menopause symptoms to get fired, fight for her job back...all to hire an attorney and sue the railroad for money?? How much did this cost her initially out of pocket (work time lost, etc;) to hit this "extra money for retirement"? Taking on the railroad and going after that "railroad lottery" is NOT as easy as most think. As another posted has said, they have like 10 attorneys at their disposal and there is ALOT of paperwork that gets shifted around. Things like this could drag out for the better part of a year, if not more. IF they fired this particular individual as it was worded in this story, then she does have a case! Good luck to her if so! If there is more to it than it shows in this story, then it will come out in her case. |
| Posted by Mom2Sixpack - 1/5/2009 3:07:39 PM
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What a little extra money before retirement ? I know so many people that fake there injuries to get some money it's a joke ! Get REAL ! |
| Posted by R79 - 1/5/2009 2:07:11 PM
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I dont know...hum i see two sides to this. Yes too many do try and hit the RR lottery. But I too was fired from the RR for getting Pregnant! I tried to sue to just get my job back and for your one lawer they have 12! It was impossabe to get anywhere with it. I do think they think they can get away with anything! |
| Posted by T&T - 1/5/2009 10:40:55 AM
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5 to 6 Genes that I know of that work in the shop alone, so if you name is Gene you must be bad. You sound very immature. |
| Posted by Gene - 1/4/2009 7:08:45 AM
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cowgirl08 There are around |
| Posted by Gene - 1/4/2009 6:58:37 AM
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learn to do your own work.. especially if you have worked there for that long. |
| Posted by boxer - 1/3/2009 11:35:18 PM
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Mrs Alonzo if you need a darn good lawyer, ask I have just the guy for you. What went on is definetly wrong and the Up I bet settles this out of court. |
| Posted by cowgirl08 - 1/3/2009 10:57:15 PM
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HMMM isn't there a joke around the shop about a pair of dirty Genes? Must a stinky situation at the shop |
| Posted by cowgirl08 - 1/3/2009 10:54:46 PM
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I'm glad your crystal ball is working Gene, I will have a good day and I wish the best for all honest and hard working employees no matter what department. |
| Posted by Hoghunter - 1/3/2009 8:49:38 PM
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Thats what I thought you would say. I just refuse to belive every thing I hear. You have a good day Sir. |
| Posted by Gene - 1/3/2009 8:21:07 PM
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Well Gene, I don't really care if you "listen" to my opinion, but that's what the word on the street is about the shop. I like where I'm at, we can govern ourselves and we're self motivated people. |
| Posted by Hoghunter - 1/3/2009 8:15:41 PM
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Showed me the ropes? Heck, that would be great.I think you need to reread my post. I would have loved to have only had to do my half. Instead she played dumb or whatever and did not do her part. This happened many times until I grew wise and just stayed away. I tell you something is wrong upstairs whether or not the evaluators found it or not. If you know her and her neighbor ,as I do ,her story speaks for itself. He has some psycho experiences to relate. It will all come out in the wash. Whether or not I am a man or woman has nothing to do with my opinion. |
| Posted by chasman32 - 1/3/2009 8:04:08 PM
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Well hoghunter It is called hearsay, Come work for the shop, transportation, management,then I will listen to your opinion, I'm a machinist and been there 17 years and I love my job!
It pays my bills so I dont try and complain very much, I would not down grade any craft or area if I have never worked there. |
| Posted by Gene - 1/3/2009 7:52:32 PM
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I work for the Engineering Dept. If we did half what I hear coming out of the shops we'd be gone, as I feel we should. It sounds like it's a high school type environment with allot of immature activity. I know several electricians, a few machinists and it seems to be the same story from most, bunch of guys who need to grow up and have a little respect for the company that gives them a good life with a reasonable amount of work involved. Pretty sad really. |
| Posted by Hoghunter - 1/3/2009 7:33:00 PM
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Gene, neither. Not MofW either. |
| Posted by Hoghunter - 1/3/2009 7:22:38 PM
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I think what Dave Thalken said was not just stupid, it was tasteless and an insult to all women! Does he not have a mom, wife, or sister? |
| Posted by Placeholder - 1/3/2009 6:19:09 PM
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Union Pacific or no, Union or no, Transportation, Operations or Management, NO ONE who supervises an employee should discuss, infer or comment on a medical situation, with any employee or co-worker, ever. That is just stupid. Thalken just made a bad situation worse.
It has nothing to do with the perceived execptionalism of UPRR (news for the UP know it all's and disgruntled employee's, get over it and your selves, railroad is just like every other big business, from IT to manufacturing)
This has nothing to do with her as a person or co-worker, it has do do with complete ignorance of a manager and the impact his ignorance has on the company. He could have done and said many things, but he should have never inferred or referred to a medical condition by name.
If what is posted below is true, he could have referred to her inability to complete tasks, or complaints from other co-workers regarding her work habits, her impact on safety or her inability to complete tasks. Then let the process work. What this guy did (and for the record, I do not know Dave Thalken) is just bad management. |
| Posted by doby - 1/3/2009 5:12:50 PM
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The Railroad....Is like any other place of buisness..Union does not make a perfect job environment...
Union..just means pay your dues and do not expect anything or any help with problems.. |
| Posted by smutcityreader - 1/3/2009 3:14:17 PM
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Chasman32...Could the problem be that you are a man..and does not like to have a woman show you the ropes!!!
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| Posted by smutcityreader - 1/3/2009 3:09:11 PM
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Hoghunter do you work in the shop or are you in transportation?
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| Posted by Gene - 1/3/2009 3:06:19 PM
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Blue, the shop employee's brought that type of stuff upon themselves, you know exactly what I'm talking about, I'm not going to spell it out, but the shop guys have nobody to blame but the guys in the mirror. |
| Posted by Hoghunter - 1/3/2009 2:17:32 PM
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I have to say I have worked with her and I also have been on the receiving end of the management harassment. She wasn't a problem to work with. The fact that the upper management did this is not a shocker.
Hell I am sure you all don't realize we have to have notes when we call in sick. I kid you not. Remember when your mom called you in sick to the school and then had to follow it up with a note to the principal. I mean how freaking childish is that.
That is just some of the stuff one has to put up with there. |
| Posted by Blue92 - 1/3/2009 1:35:21 PM
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In any other job besides the railroad, she would have been gone long ago. |
| Posted by chasman32 - 1/3/2009 8:29:49 AM
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Every time I ever worked with her was always an unpleasant experience, she really likes to play dumb. She acts like she doesn't know how to do something so you end up doing it yourself. I think some of it is not an act. As many years as she has in, there should be no gaps in experience. I think the deceptive games she plays and her unpredictable and unstable behavior are plenty enough enough reason to have further employment evaluated. I know of no machinist that wants to work side by side with her. Menopause was a poor choice of words. Hormonal behavior is hard to work around, but it is a fact of life. I really think they would like to get rid of her because she causes alot of problems and really is very hard to work around. We live in fear of something we say being misinterpreted as a sexist remark. That brings in EEO. This means immediate termination. If she remains it will cost the jobs of some very good people and workers who's only crime will be frustration with a very difficult woman. |
| Posted by chasman32 - 1/3/2009 8:26:24 AM
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I know what this lady is going through with the UPRR and their precepts on illness. They put my significant other on medical disqulifacation 3 years ago because he take's medcaction for a bi-polar disorder. The same medication that hundreds of other employees take. Although he did nothing wrong and was with them for 29 years he was NEVER allowed to return to work. He is now on medical disability for taking a drug that the UPRR does NOT say that you can not take. This lady is VERY lucky to have found an attny. that would even take her case to start with,, I wish her all the luck in the world,,, I hope she takes the UPRR to task. Just because someone may or may not be ill, if they do their job they do not deserve to be laid off fired or what ever the railroad choose's to call what they do. And to get the union to help you is a down right joke. all they do is pass the buck until finially they simply ignore you all togeather.. I am glad this lady got to go back to work, because my significant other never did. But we are okay he is so much happier they actually did him a huge favor, so all I wanted to say is GOOD LUCK,, and hope you are able to make they pay for what they have done to you... You GO GIRL..... Show the railroad what a menopausal B____H really is..... |
| Posted by HellCat - 1/3/2009 8:16:38 AM
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I guess I missed the part in the U.P. rulebooks or the state law books, that said it's a violation to cry at work. Last I knew, in America, You could cry wherever you damn well pleased. |
| Posted by Sir Venom - 1/3/2009 7:14:19 AM
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Be careful npdood, you still don't know the UP's side, assuming their at fault isn't right either. |
| Posted by Hoghunter - 1/2/2009 11:52:07 PM
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Ms. Alonso is a brave woman. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Unless you've been in her position, you have no idea what she went threw and what she is up against. I'm glad we have a local newspaper who isnt afraid to cover these type storys! We all need to know how low the UPac is willing to go!!!!!!!! |
| Posted by npdood - 1/2/2009 8:53:45 PM
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UP lottery..seriously?! This case is NOT about getting any money. Its about being treated fairly. I know for a fact that Alonzo isnt the easiest person to get along with at work. But she still does her work and does it right. Most of the men complain that it takes her longer than them to do some tasks..if they even do them at all..but at least it gets done in the end. And noone gets hurt. Anyway, if the RR wants someone gone then they can find a valid reason to do so. And menopause isnt one of them. Menopause is NOT a violation of any rule in the rule book. |
| Posted by lovnmom - 1/2/2009 8:46:31 PM
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First off I HATE sue happy people. Second, my gut tells me there's more to this story. I don't think it's the RR's job to diagnose health issues, however she may have brought this up to a manager at one time, then it would be open for discussion, I just don't know. To assume she's trying to hit it big after being an employee for 30 years is taking a big leap, allot of people work a couple years and then try to cash in, not the case here at all. I'm not going to put the RR down either because of what I said earlier, she may have brought the issue up. I hope God helps both sides and justice prevails. |
| Posted by Hoghunter - 1/2/2009 7:58:13 PM
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OMG! I can't beleive that someone is idiot enough to classify menopause as a disability! If that's the case, I should have been collecting disiability for the last 25 years! What a moron! |
| Posted by former resident - 1/2/2009 7:24:19 PM
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As someone that has been on the recieving end of the firing from DJT,I can tell you for a fact that this is most definitely NOT out of the realm of possibility from this snake.Once you have gotten his attention in one way or another,he makes it his personal venue to see you gone.I was fired in 2006.In one of the meetings with my union rep,he had the audacity to tell him that he still remembered some comments I had made about Russel Lowe 4 years earlier.My union rep took him to task on that comment after he was done reeling in awe at the absurdity of what he had said.This man,(and I use that term exremely loosely when referring to DJT)is the most arrogant of all the up management.To Miss Alonzo I say,go get him!Good Luck and may you accomplish with litigation that which would be much cheaper than lead poisoning.LOL |
| Posted by Badger  - 1/2/2009 7:03:45 PM
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Suing huh? she must be having another mood swing. |
| Posted by Pot Shot - 1/2/2009 6:46:06 PM
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I'm sure there is more to this story than what has been reported. However, I think this lady should sue the railroad if they even mentioned menopause. How unbelievably stupid of them! I am fully aware of the difficulties in dealing with frustations associated with anyone who cries at work but sometimes it has to be accepted and in the short term is usually worked out to the benefit of all conserned. |
| Posted by Placeholder - 1/2/2009 5:32:53 PM
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First & foremost, menopause SUCKS!! Being pre-menopausal myself, I believe that God DOES have a sense of humor & that I will forever be paying for Eve eating that damned apple. That being said, I think this woman has a legitimate cause. The fact that she is still working, as Ham pointed out, says a lot for her character. The RR will do what it takes to relieve employees with more seniority & more pay to make way for new, lesser paid employees. Don't believe it? Ask ANY RR employee who worry for their jobs. Good luck to you, Ms. Alonzo. |
| Posted by 1coolmom - 1/2/2009 1:11:34 PM
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ok...Dave Thalken said it was related to menopause. May the Union lawyers help her out. |
| Posted by Ace - 1/2/2009 1:07:51 PM
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I could do the same for that amount of pay and I wouldnt cry on the job on a regular basis. Take it from someone who is pre-menopausal. I do not think the railroad said she was menopausal but after the psychologist could not find anything wrong it is the next best excuse. |
| Posted by Ace - 1/2/2009 1:05:10 PM
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I disagree, Ace.I think it's pretty telling that they subjected her to TWO mental health evals and she still returned to work after BOTH professionals found NOTHING wrong with her. I'd be humiliated, but she's showing guts and a strong work ethic by still doing her job. I am not sure I could do the same. |
| Posted by Hamjustice - 1/2/2009 12:54:18 PM
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OMG...whatever! I need to hit the railroad lottery! |
| Posted by Ace - 1/2/2009 11:49:13 AM
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